Podcast Season 2 Episode 16
Posted at 3:52pm on Thursday September 2nd 2010
Title: Mike May Vary
In this episode: Sony was legally allowed to remove the 'Other OS' feature from the Playstation 3, according to Australian lawmakers. Glibc is now really free and KSplice gets into Fedora. We report back from the mid-point of our games development challenge, and ask, what's your favourite Linux improvement?
What's in the show:
- News:
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Sony was legally allowed to remove the 'Other OS' option from its Playstation 3 consoles, according to Australia. Microsoft now loves open source software, it's official, and KSplice is now free for Fedora users. And finally, Oracle has freed glibc.
- You Dare Us:
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At the mid-point in our four week development cycle, we report on how things are going with our games creation challenge.
- Discovery of the week:
- Mike:
- The Gimp's user-interface isn't quite as good as it should be.
- Graham:
- PiratePad.net is excellent, and better than Google Wave for online collaboration.
- Paul:
- Paul has discovered that he really does hate Python.
- Andrew:
- He nearly bought a Stylophone in a shop in Bristol.
- Burgers at Start the Bus in Bristol are really nice.
- And there's no logic in train ticket prices.
- Mike:
- In the Hot Seat:
- Open Ballot: what's your favourite Linux improvement?
- Special offer: subscribe to Linux Format magazine and save up to 40%
- Mike's first Hot Seat challenge since returning from Germany.
- All your thoughts, and ours, on what Linux has achieved over the last 12 months.
Presenters: Andrew Gregory, Paul Hudson, Graham Morrison and Mike Saunders.
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Your comments
Linux Mint Love
menthol_penguin - September 2, 2010 @ 4:51pm
Yes, more Linux mint love!
Gimp Love
johnvile - September 2, 2010 @ 5:00pm
I'm not a great fan of the Gimp but the single window mode is really good and a step in the right direction.
It makes this old Photoshop stalwart happy anyway. Now all I need to done is upgrade up use it :-(
Piratepad/Etherpad
Ghon (not verified) - September 2, 2010 @ 5:05pm
Just a couple things a I would like to add about PiratePad. Its a clone of EtherPad, which Google bought to use the technology in Wave. The code for EtherPad was opensourced, so if you wish to take a look: http://code.google.com/p/etherpad/
my unpronouncable name
Paul S (not verified) - September 2, 2010 @ 6:10pm
That's OK, it's how everyone else shortens in. I replied twice because I misread the question the first time round.
Also, Microsoft might pretend to love opensource as much as they like but you give the impression you're not up to date with Paul Allen's latest patent trolling.
Good luck with your games. I've been working flat out on mine for the last 2 months and my back hurts.
A couple of gripes
Joe (not verified) - September 2, 2010 @ 7:55pm
It seems strange that a relatively professional organisation like yours can't cut off the 3 seconds or so of silence at the start of your podcasts. As an audio geek this really annoys me.
Also the letter H is pronounced "aitch" and most certainly not "haitch".
open ballot
Wesley (not verified) - September 2, 2010 @ 9:00pm
The greatest innovation this year has to be in the new version of Ubuntu. Kudos to Mark Shuttleworth for revolutionising the desktop paradigm once again. My productivity has improved no end since the window buttons moved to the left.
KDEasily the best thing this year
Footloose Frankie (not verified) - September 2, 2010 @ 9:38pm
Can't agree enough with Graham Morrison. KDE 4 has really come on this year and with more to come I would wager that even Paul Hudson will be a KDE convert by this time next year. Now all we need is for KAlbum to be ported to KDE 4 and world domination is assured.
from small things mama big things one day come
the troll with the soul (not verified) - September 2, 2010 @ 9:43pm
The best thing to happen this year was the announcement that Gnome 3 has been delayed until 2011. I am happy with gnome 2 and don't want to be forced to use gnome shell thanks.
Give us love!
Timo (not verified) - September 2, 2010 @ 10:53pm
Linux Mint is just so smooth and properly working, it definitely needs more love!
last 12 months
J Clarkson (not verified) - September 3, 2010 @ 7:51am
I was very disillusioned this year.
I was convinced that Mike Saunders was the Stig, but alas no!
GetGNU for windows - hmmmm.
Mihaly (not verified) - September 3, 2010 @ 7:54am
Admittedly, I /should/ have read the documentation, but, I was impatient. Serves me right, perhaps.
It took 2 days, repeat 2 ****ing days to obtain gnu4win.
I thought graham said it was a 10Mb download!!!
Alright, alright, it /should/ have worked from the get-go, I just accidentally hit "update" instead of "install", but I imagine several others have made a similar mistake, so can I just humbly suggest that you add some information about this?
Look, I really don't mind ultimately, since I now have a useful collection of utilities. But I have to tell you that it took 2 days on a dial-up connection. Someone somewhere ought to supply some sort of mention of this kind of thing.
It will undermine an honest attempt to obtain Gnu4Win.
And I also still think that MSYS is a far better - at least easier download, even if it is slightly more complicated because - well - it /is/ complicated installing a gnu system on a windows box.
Nevertheless, I believe some sort of direction to the documentation (in the form of a webpage outlining exactly what to do) is in order here.
If only there were more games and proper support for dial-up modems on laptops, I'd be using my (ahem) Mandriva desktop almost exclusively. :)
Maybe it /is/ time I switched to Ubuntu!!!
On that topic, it really doesn't bother me that it's your favoured distro, I don't have any favorite myself, I've used many over the years (although not as many that fall below the top 100 list .... errr.... )
I'd like to think I'm open minded enough to appreciate the various pros and cons of each. Lately I installed PClinuxOS, that was rather nifty, and have used OpenSUSE.
Personally, I would rather stick with RH simply because that's what I'm familiar with. But I won't berate or remonstrate you over distro choice. It is about freedom to choose, and I don't envy you for the difficulty of providing information or softare relating to "Linux" with the additional difficulty of having to provide specifics about how it can be used on "your linux system".
Anyway, thanks once again for your work and mock me mercilessly if you so desire. I can take a joke.
Michael (Mihaly)
Re: A couple of gripes
graham - September 3, 2010 @ 8:36am
Thanks for the feedback Joe.
The delay at the beginning of the audio was originally intentional. When we started, either Amarok or Rhythmbox (I can't remember which), would truncate the beginning of the audio when it was downloaded through an RSS subscription. It might be time to look at whether this is still necessary.
As for haitch versus aitch, I used to feel the same.
@Mihaly Sorry you had so much trouble with Gnu On Windows
Gimp
Anonymous Penguin #123 (not verified) - September 3, 2010 @ 10:01am
How come the gimp interface looks so bad but the website has nice fade in effects?
Petition
Petition Penguin (not verified) - September 3, 2010 @ 10:13am
I've set up a python case/switch petition at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/python-switch-case/
GIMP bad interface? Fear not Mike!
Dylan C (not verified) - September 3, 2010 @ 10:26am
Don't worry Mike the UI for GIMP is being worked on at the moment.
Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewtq3IHHASg
Single window mode looks awesome!
Which Mint
Ray Woods (not verified) - September 3, 2010 @ 10:52am
The little old lady I've got using Mint 9 is using the Gnome version. I modified the desktop a bit, to brighten it up and she is really happy with it. (Especially not waiting for things to happen, like in the bad old days of Windows.)
I use Fedora, but won't be using KSplice.
Tom Walker (not verified) - September 3, 2010 @ 12:19pm
Sounds a bit bleeding edge for me - rebooting really isn't much hassle.
From the linked article:
"Using Ksplice is like replacing your car’s engine while speeding down the highway"
I rest my case.
Arch linux love
bananaoomarang (not verified) - September 4, 2010 @ 7:51pm
Could we have some arch Linux love. If we get Lubuntu love and Linux Mint love... Oh wait yeah, mike Saunders is actually Mike Shuttleworth ;)
Just dropped in a mention of the podcast...
Linuxrich (not verified) - September 5, 2010 @ 5:39am
In a rebuttal to a Tech Radar piece Graham did on Linux diversity which is causing a lot of controversy...
http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/are-you-intimidated-by-breakfa.html
Just a note on pirate pad
Anonymous Penguin (not verified) - September 6, 2010 @ 6:53am
Pirate pad is just a vanilla install of etherpad, which was opensourced by google. If you do a plain setup, you get something identical to pirate pad.
Its awesome, we actually use it at my company for internal collaboration.
Theme music
dazfuller - September 6, 2010 @ 9:35am
If you're going to change the theme music could you make sure that there's a mention of pink ponies in there somewhere?
Linux Mint Love
Vin (not verified) - September 7, 2010 @ 10:47pm
Linux Mint certainly deserves some love, Fedora too.
Mr Morrison
Paul S (not verified) - September 8, 2010 @ 7:11pm
>http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/are-you-intimidated-by-breakfa.html
Did you get a right kicking from Caitlyn. Mr Morrison. Ha! Made my day. Though someone should tell her that Mr has no full stop at the end. It's probably from the lack of use. You must have cheesed her off properly to warrant the Mr.
Since we're laying it on - one of you in the podcast claimed that LyX is pronounced like LaTeX with a 'K'. Where did you get that rubbish idea from?
@Paul S
Hudzilla - September 8, 2010 @ 10:16pm
<< Did you get a right kicking from Caitlyn. Mr Morrison. Ha! Made my day >>
FWIW, I think Graham is a little off base in what he wrote. But I think Caitlyn is a *lot* off base, which is made apparent by her need to argue by analogy straight off the bat. I think we ought to discuss this in the podcast-after-next, because I think both people raised a number of interesting talking points. Actually, that'd make a great open ballot! "Is Graham Morrison wrong?" :D (podcast-after-next because I'm away on holiday right now; what am I even doing posting this? I wish I knew...)
<< one of you in the podcast claimed that LyX is pronounced like LaTeX with a 'K'. Where did you get that rubbish idea from? >>
You're mistaking me for someone who gives a toss. Neener!
Hudzilla PownZ with skillZor!
Dylan C (not verified) - September 9, 2010 @ 8:49am
Ooo Hudzilla is on a rampage! :)
Interesting word Neener... never heard of it before so I had to look it up! :D
You must be the kind of
Anonymous Penguin (not verified) - September 9, 2010 @ 12:02pm
You must be the kind of person who thinks they can say poh-tah-toh and toh-may-toh and even lie-nucks and think their opinion is just as valid or that it doesn't matter. It's not and it does. Unless you're an American, in America. Everywhere else you just sound silly. It's one thing to be ignorant, quite another to claim high moral ground on that basis and think everyone else to be overly pedantic because they know things.
Reminds me of a Bill Hicks's routine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvs2g5Nj0NI
Only tangentially related.
Re: moral high ground
Hudzilla - September 9, 2010 @ 12:56pm
I think my use of the word "neener" made it clear I was abandoning any claim of moral high ground to the kind of person who thinks there can even be such a thing as moral high ground when discussing the correct pronunciation of a free software typesetting front-end ;)
neener? was that like the
towy71 - September 9, 2010 @ 3:19pm
neener? was that like the playground neenaw, a proscribed thing in my house and deserves a clip round the ear :P
Is it possible that you could use a decent microphone each for I feared I was going deaf trying to hear some of the banter
That's OK then, because I am
Anonymous Penguin (not verified) - September 9, 2010 @ 3:22pm
That's OK then, because I am in fact a pedant and I must point out that referring to LyX as a typesetting "front-end" is wholly inaccurate (and when I say wholly I mean slightly). It's a GUI document editor. It happens to produce documents in LaTeX markup which can be used to provide digital typesetting by being processed by TeX but it is not a "front-end" for TeX ;)
Here's another portion of low-culture from the times of yore: http://neil.franklin.ch/Jokes_and_Fun/Flameoholic.html
(Yeah, it's the same Simon who writes BOFH - he used to write profusely on the usenet)
@towy71
TuxRadar - September 9, 2010 @ 3:25pm
We already have four microphones, all recorded on four different channels before being mixed down into the stereo Ogg/MP3. If there's a particular example where it's hard to hear, let us know and we'll see what we can do in the future.
Is Graham wrong?
Linuxrich (not verified) - September 9, 2010 @ 3:42pm
I think Hudzilla's suggestion for an open ballot is a fine one! My humble take on the subject is to be found in the blogs at Linuxquestions.org. Not full coverage of the subject but I think it begins to illustrate why choice is a good thing!
Rocketz
Anonymous A1200 (not verified) - September 9, 2010 @ 10:22pm
Just heard your podcast - hearing about Rocketz was a real flash-back - I loved that game! I seem to remember thinking the music was also great on it.
Don't ever change
poundie (not verified) - September 10, 2010 @ 12:51am
Thank goodness no one responded when you solicited suggestions for new theme music. I was worried. I am emalfing (the opposite of flaming) your decision to stick with Brad Sucks. I will cry if you change the music -- so there.
give love
Anonymous Penguin (not verified) - September 10, 2010 @ 4:51am
@Mike, Graham , Paul and Andrew
I've just braised through the comments from this pod-cast and I realized that several listeners asked for more love to some distro.
After listening to many of your pod-cast's I found myself wondering why are your thoughts, opinions and challenges so distro based? when you say that coherence is the future, wouldn't it be wise to promote projects that have the same goals that you all state to be beneficial to linux and the community in general? I don't think that opposing 'A' and 'B' distro's accomplishes your claims.
So my suggestion is simple...
Promote projects that unite all distros in the linux baner and let all the novels and ranting to the community.
More Minty Love please
3dbeef (not verified) - September 11, 2010 @ 5:17am
Such a great distro, and now with a Debian based version!
So what is a good programming language
wanabee programmer (not verified) - September 14, 2010 @ 3:48pm
You say you hate python (I guess slightly tongue in cheek)
If you wanted to pick a widely available programming language, which would you pick? Likewise you say you don't like ogre. What is better? Is Ogre the best open source games engine, but you have used closed source ones that are better, or is the nature of the beast such that any such library will be horrendous to use.
I guess I am saying I would like a little more depth as to why you say things are crap (Insert crap alert sound fom linux outlaws)
Thanks for the podcast.
GoboLinux
Anonymous Penguin (not verified) - September 26, 2010 @ 5:22pm
If you think that the Linux filesystem is a confusing relic of the original 70s Unix, check out GoboLinux which has as its core system a rethinking of the file system along the lines described in the podcast (e.g. like Mac OS X). Here is an essay from the founder of GoboLinux on the Linux filesystem and the GoboLinux approach: http://www.gobolinux.org/index.php?page=k5
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