OpenSolaris vs Linux

Operating systems

So you've been playing around with alternative OSes for a while and you reckon you've got this Linux thing mastered. Maybe you're tried Mac OS X and found it a bit too restrictive (or expensive); perhaps you've kicked the Hurd's tyres and thought you'll come back to it when it's something more than just a clever name.

If you're looking for something else to play with, we humbly suggest OpenSolaris. Like Mac OS X, which we looked at recently, OpenSolaris is based on Unix; also like OS X, it's best known for running on a specific processor (in this case Sun's SPARC architecture) but now works on a range of architectures including x86. Unlike OS X though, OpenSolaris is open source, so you can download it for free and start fiddling with it.

We're not interested in a direct, head-to-head comparison, because for many people it's largely a matter of taste which one they choose. But we do want to help people see what makes OpenSolaris a little different from Linux, so read on for our quick-start guide for Linux users wanting to dip their toe into OpenSolaris and see which they prefer...

The source code to Solaris (well, most of it) was released to the community in June 2005, and to make sure that it became a usable home system rather than just a server OS, Sun hired Ian Murdock, founder of the Debian project, to produce OpenSolaris. The first release appeared in May 2008 and the distribution adopted an approximately half-yearly release cycle: after OpenSolaris 2008.05 we got versions 2008.11 and 2009.06.

Sun advertises its operating system as a full-blown distribution, including the Gnome desktop. But is OpenSolaris interesting enough for a Linux user? If you're happy with your favourite Linux distribution, why would you try OpenSolaris? In some aspects it's much like a regular Linux distribution, but in other aspects it's completely different. Do the exciting features of this operating system outweigh the trouble of learning another Unix environment with other tools?

Installing OpenSolaris

Just like most Linux distributions, OpenSolaris comes with a live CD and a graphical installer that asks you for the standard information, including your location, preferred keyboard map, time/date etc. This will be familiar for Linux users, and if you're installing OpenSolaris as the sole OS on a computer you'll hardly notice the difference, but if you want to create a dual-boot system with OpenSolaris and Linux you might run into problems at the disk-partitioning stage.

The OpenSolaris installer considers all logical partitions on the disk as one extended partition, so it can't be installed on a logical partition. If you choose to install OpenSolaris on this extended partition, all enclosed logical partitions get overwritten. Second, OpenSolaris uses ZFS instead of ext3 as its filesystem. Linux has no ZFS support in the kernel because the Free Software Foundation doesn't consider it free enough to be bundled with GPL software, so if you want to get access to your OpenSolaris documents in Linux you have to mount the ZFS filesystem with Fuse as a filesystem in userland.

A third issue is that the standard Grub version that comes with Linux distributions doesn't understand the ZFS filesystem. So when you install OpenSolaris first and then your favourite Linux distribution, you can't boot into OpenSolaris anymore. The solution is to first install Linux and then OpenSolaris, and add the section for your Linux distro to Grub's menu.lst in OpenSolaris.

Some filesystem differences

Linux directory OpenSolaris directory
/home /export/home
/var/log /usr/adm, /var/adm, /var/log
/tmp /var/tmp
/sys /devices
/dev /dev
/lib/modules/foo/* /kernel/drv/*
/boot/grub /rpool/boot/grub

Some command line differences

Linux command OpenSolaris command Aim
sudo pfexec Execute a command as root
apt-cache search foo pkg search -r foo Search for a package containing foo
apt-get install foo pkg install SUNWfoo Install package foo
apt-get dist-upgrade pkg image-update Upgrade all packages that have updates available
lsmod modinfo List loaded drivers
insmod modload Load a driver
rmmod modunload Unload a loaded driver
top prstat List the running processes
free vmstat List the free memory
cat /proc/cpuinfo psrinfo -v List processor info
ifconfig ifconfig -a List all network interfaces
parted format Format a disk

Hardware support

Linux has a big advantage over OpenSolaris in that it supports a lot more hardware, but OpenSolaris makes up for this by having a fixed device driver interface. Where the Linux kernel developers give priority to adding features even when they break compatibility with hardware drivers (which creates more work for the distro makers) OpenSolaris keeps the driver interface static, so if your printer worked with OpenSolaris 2008.05 it'll work with 2009.6 - users can even run 10-year-old drivers written for the original Solaris platform.

OpenSolaris also gives you a clear overview of what is supported, rather than the suck-it-and-see approach favoured by Linux. The best way to find out whether specific hardware components are supported is by searching the Solaris Hardware Compatibility List online.

Another option to test hardware support on a computer is simply to fire up the live CD. The Device Driver Utility icon should show up on the desktop, which detects all available hardware and lists which driver supports it, even if it is third-party. For example, when I fired up the Device Driver Utility on my Dell laptop, the program said that it didn't have a driver for my WLan chipset (from Broadcom), but referred me to a website where I could download a third-party driver.

There is also a related utility, the Device Detection Tool: this is a Java program giving the same information, which you can run on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. So with this tool, you get a perfect overview of the hardware support before you even install OpenSolaris.

OpenSolaris's hardware support is a lot more predictable than it is in Linux, though not as extensive.

OpenSolaris's hardware support is a lot more predictable than it is in Linux, though not as extensive.

ZFS: the Zettabyte File System

One of the most important reasons to use OpenSolaris is its filesystem, ZFS. Conceptually, ZFS is simple: disks are assigned to pools, and data sets are made of pools. Filesystems and volumes are two types of data sets. For pools, OpenSolaris has the administration command zpool and for datasets OpenSolaris has the administration command zfs. We'll focus here on pools. This is how you list the available pools:

$ zpool list 
NAME	SIZE	USED	AVAIL	CAP	HEALTH 	ALTROOT
rpool	15.9G	1.28G	14.6G	8%	ONLINE	-

Rpool is the default pool created by the distribution's installer. With the zpool status command, you can display the status of all pools:

$ zpool status
 pool: rpool
 state: ONLINE
 scrub: none requested
config:
	NAME	STATE	READ	WRITE	CKSUM
	rpool	ONLINE	0	0	0
	c7d0s0	ONLINE	0	0	0
errors: No known data errors

One of the outstanding features of OpenSolaris is related to the filesystem: snapshots. A snapshot is a point-in-time copy of a ZFS filesystem or volume, saving the state for later reference or recovery. You can create a snapshot with the zfs snapshot command, but OpenSolaris 2009.06 has integrated this functionality in Nautilus and the Gnome Administration panel Time Slider.

Step by step: Take snapshots with ZFS

Enable automatic snapshots

Enable automatic snapshots: Go to System > Administration > Time Slider and click on Enable Time Slider. Now OpenSolaris will regularly take snapshots of all available ZFS filesystems. If you would like to fine-tune which mount points will get snapshotted, click on Advanced Options. You can also adapt the maximum proportion of filesystem capacity that should be used. The regular snapshots take a lot of space, so by default Time Slider reduces snapshots when storage space usage exceeds 80% of filesystem capacity.

Restore a snapshot

Restore a snapshot: If you suddenly realise that you've accidentally deleted or overwritten an important file, it's time to use the snapshots. Open Nautilus and navigate to the directory your file is in. If you click on the Restore button, you can navigate the snapshot history of the current location. For example, if you deleted a file you can use the slider to navigate to the time when the file still existed. You can open the file to see if it is the right version, or you can right-click on the file and select Restore To [directory]".

Compare different snapshots of a file

Compare different snapshots of a file: If you want to browse the file history of a given file, right-click on it and select Explore Versions (this option is only visible when there are different versions of the file to choose from). The Time Slider File Version Explorer window now shows you the different versions of the selected file. If it's a text file, such as code or plain text, you can compare the differences: just select an older version and click the compare button. If the file is an image, you'll be able to see the differences immediately.

Take or delete snapshots manually

Take or delete snapshots manually: To take a snapshot of a directory manually, just click on the camera icon on the right of the time slider in the directory. If you've moved the slider to a previous snapshot, you can delete this one by clicking on the Delete button. If after a time you discover you have a lot of space wasted by snapshots you don't need anymore, just open the System > Administration > Time Slider panel again and click on Delete Snapshots, which presents you a list with all available snapshots. Select the ones you want to get rid of and click on Delete.

Virtualisation with OpenSolaris

OpenSolaris supports a variety of virtualisation technologies with different degrees of isolation, flexibility, performance and ease of use. Of course it runs VirtualBox, but it also has a port of Xen, called xVM Hypervisor. A lesser known but equally interesting virtualisation technology in OpenSolaris is Zones, a feature resembling Linux-VServer, but with the advantage that it's not a separate patch set but supported in the official kernel.

Processes running in different Zones are completely isolated from each other. This type of virtualisation is called operating-system level virtualisation. Although each zone appears as a standalone operating system, in reality there's a single instance of the OpenSolaris kernel running behind all of them, which means that Zones are relatively light on processing power. Here's how to set up virtual instances of OpenSolaris with Zones:

Configure a zone

First we create a filesystem for the zones to reside in. Then we create a zone and configure the path where the root directory tree of the zone is placed. We add a virtual network interface to the zone and wire it to the physical interface nge0, and in the last-but-two line of code we configured this network interface with a specific IP address.

$ pfexec zfs create -o mountpoint=/zones rpool/zones
$ pfexec zonecfg -z myzone
myzone: No such zone configured
Use 'create' to begin configuring a new zone.
zonecfg:myzone> create
zonecfg:myzone> set zonepath=/zones/myzone
zonecfg:myzone> add net
zonecfg:myzone:net> set physical=nge0
zonecfg:myzone:net> set address=192.168.1.50
zonecfg:myzone:net> end
zonecfg:myzone> exit

To see all zones, we execute the zoneadm list -cv command, which shows the status of the myzone zone as we've configured it:

$ zoneadm list -cv
  ID	NAME	STATUS	PATH	BRAND	IP
  0	global	running	/	native	shared
	- myzone	configured	/tank/zones/myzone	ipkg	shared

As you can see, there's also a zone called global. This is the OpenSolaris installation itself.

Install the zone

Now that the zone has been configured, we have to install it. Essentially, this creates a second installation of OpenSolaris inside the zone:

$ pfexec zoneadm -z myzone install

This command could take several minutes to finish, after which the status of the zone will have changed from configured to installed.

Boot the zone and log in

Once our zone has been installed, we can boot it with the command pfexec zoneadm -z myzone boot. This takes only a few seconds, after which the status will change from installed to running. Now you can log in with pfexec zlogin -C myzone. During the first login, you have to configure the host name, time zone, root password etc, just like a regular install does.

Now you can execute commands in the zone just like you do on the global OpenSolaris install. You can also halt, reboot and shut down the zone from within it, but you can also halt a zone from within the global zone with the command pfexec zoneadm -z myzone halt.

OpenSolaris on the desktop

Because OpenSolaris is advertised as a desktop distribution, it's fair to compare it with current Linux distributions. However, the first thing you notice is that the operating system is much slower than Ubuntu on the same hardware, so don't think about installing it on older hardware. For the rest it looks like a fairly standard Gnome desktop, although NetworkManager is replaced by an application called Network Auto Magic, which does more or less the same thing but has fewer features.

While most high-profile applications (including OpenOffice.org, Firefox, Thunderbird and Rhythmbox) are installed or available via the package manager, you have less luck if your favourite application is less known. For many Linux users this will be a showstopper, although packages can be ported.

And finally... YouTube!

We told you OpenSolaris is a proper desktop OS, so naturally you'll want to get Flash installed and stimulate your left brain. To get Adobe Flash Player, go to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer and click the Agree And Install Now button (the website will automatically detect that you're using Solaris). Select Save File in the window that pops up, then click OK, which saves it to your Downloads directory. Then open a terminal window and execute the following commands:

cd ~/Downloads
mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins
bunzip2 flash_player_10_solaris_x86.tar.bz2
tar -xvf flash_player_10_solaris_x86.tar
mv flash_player_10_solaris_r22_87_x86/* ~/.mozilla/plugins/

When you next restart Firefox, Flash 10 should be working. There - an advanced filesystem, easy virtualisation, Firefox, OOo and more. Could OpenSolaris be the new Linux? Give it a try and let us know in the comments below!

Some differences under the hood

Under the hood OpenSolaris is very different from a Linux distribution. You can see this in a different filesystem layout and different base commands. For many tools, OpenSolaris has two versions: the Solaris ones are in /usr/bin and the GNU ones are in /usr/gnu/bin. Because OpenSolaris wants to ease the transition for Linux users, /usr/gnu/bin comes first in the PATH environment variable.

Other tools are available only in a Solaris variant, which can be confusing. Ifconfig is such an example: as a Linux user, you'll soon find out that the syntax is different from what you expect. Even the network interfaces are called differently: the standard interface is not called eth0, but for example nge0 or bge0, reflecting the driver used. All in all, you have to relearn a lot of commands, which requires some effort.

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Your comments

Solaris and laptops.

The only thing that I know about Solaris is that it exists.
What I don't know is if it would be wireless friendly for laptop computers. Thus far, I only found two Linux OS's that are 100% laptop friendly. They have all the codecs needed to effortlessly install and run secure wireless communications. Those two Linux's are: Freespire, and PCLinuxOS. Now, is Solaris designed to be just for desktops? Is it designed to be tethered by wire to the Ethernet router port? Or can it also support a wireless laptop?

academic style ?

"Anonymous Penguin (not verified) - September 15, 2009 @ 8:19pm

But apparently also some BSD people have forgotten their usual politeness, academic style, and dry humor at most. Shame on you."

Pointing out a logical fallacy by it's Latin name in response to Fatbuttlarry's post was pretty academic if you ask me (that was me a NetBSD user). Also this is not a formal place as far as I can tell. Apparently you like most Linux users don't know what they are talking about. Linux used to have a relatively knowledgeable userbase in the 90s when it was still exclusively for Geeks ( I remember because I was a Linux user back then). Those days are long gone now. Now Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that. An ease of use bloated pig of distro with spaghetti code based on Debian unstable otherwise known as Ubuntu being the #1 Linux distro in 2009 bespeaks the beknighted retards who now dominate the Linux scene. Here is something for stark contrast: compare NetBSD to Ubuntu and if you still don't think it is a bloated pig you are stupid. I'll take flexibility, customizability, security, less bugs and low overhead anyday over the gay faggotry known as userfriendliness. The only people in the Linux community who still exhibit this attitude are Slackware users and that is why Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that.

rebuttal

A quote originally posted from M$

"Wow. This is the kind of snotty talk from geeks that turns people off. Let's get real. Not everybody's business is computer science. There's much that makes this world go 'round, and 99% of the time the computer is just a tool in the process. For someone who must administer a system that supports thousands of connections for an n-tiered application without crashes, BSD, UNIX & Linux based OSes can all be reliably implemented (as well as Windows Server, whether we care to admit it or not). For the average user that needs their OS to allow them to connect to the internet, send email, conduct their specific business, it seems that Windows wins with Linux trailing far behind, while UNIX based OSes seem to be stuck in planet server. It's apples to oranges. This OS war has to end. There's a place for everything, and I'm sure Open Solaris will find its own."

Ah, but there is a distinction to be made here that makes your reply to my comment irrelevant. As a NetBSD user I'm not trying to proselytize NetBSD to those people. I'm not trying to convert Windows and MacOSX users to the BSD world. Linux and Linux users on the otherhand do try to do this. That is why most Linux (the popular ones) are destroying themselves in order to convert 5 more windows users. I'm perfectly content to have NetBSD remain a non-mainstream OS because I understand this maxim :

"Everything great and intelligent is in the minority." -- Wolfgang Von Goethe

Why the hell would I want the majority of the people using NetBSD ? It doesn't make any sense.

oops, mistake

This comment :

"That is why most Linux (the popular ones) are destroying themselves in order to convert 5 more windows users. "

Should have been :

That is why most Linux distros (the popular ones) are destroying themselves in order to convert 5 more windows users.

Somehow I omitted the 'distro' by accident.

Cease to value opinions

Comments like "if you still don't think it is a bloated pig you are stupid" makes you into everything you hate.

We react most strongly to (what you think is in) others when it is also in us. This tirade makes me feel very sorry for you. I'd say that most of us feel sorry for the small minded critic.

"beknighted retards"? "gay faggotry"? Really, you don't even write correct English, and your venomous tone opens you up to criticism, and makes you seem uneducated.
You live in a glass house, so prepare for the glass to be rained upon you. I only responded because this type of thing is depressing to read from a fellow human. Please stop.

OpenSolaris vs Windows

I think OpenSolaris is an option for small companies which will save money and forget expensive Windows and MSoffice.

If OpenSolaris is stable, that means low running costs in addition to no initial costs. Drivers for cheap printers will be an issue to setup a small company.

Ten years ago, I had tried to install linux with the guide of a big linux book with installation CD, but failed. Then I turned to Solaris 2.4 (student edition), no headache but you had to choose hardware in the market before installation. Now HCL helps a lot.

Even now, I don't like Linux which has too many versions to be tried. Why waste time to play around the versions. Windows is OK but expensive.

OpenSolaris will be my choose for home use. I'll try to use container to run foldings which are running under linux and windows only at the moments.

rebuttal to A. Nony Mouse

originally posted by A. Nony Mouse :

"Finally...
To the BSD-bigots:
YOU are the reason I started using Linux back in '92.
You are your own worst enemy.
I asked a coworker about reasonably priced Unixes for the PC back then, and he pointed me to 2 newsgroup heirarchies... comp.os.linux and comp.os.*bsd (I think it was 386bsd back then, before they renamed it freebsd). When I saw the nasty, rude, elitist attitudes of the BSD-ers contrasted with the "here's how you do it, and by the way - here's a link to the HOWTO" attitude of the Linux crowd, it wasn't a tough decision to make."

"The differences between FreeBSD and Linux used to be much more obvious than they are now. Now it comes down to theology. The BSD world is still the 'high church' or Druid Unix. Blood will be spilled on a stone altar at midnite when star systems are in a certain alignment to learn the ways of this tribe. Linux is a happier world. The spirits of Captain Kirk, Peter Pan and good beer come to mind." --Keith Rankin

Notice the word 'happier' above ?

"There is only one inborn erroneous notion: that we exist in order to be happy. So long as we persist in this inborn error... the world seems to us full of contradictions. For at every step, in great things and small, we are bound to experience that the world and life are certainly not arranged for the purpose of maintaining a happy existence, hence the countenances of almost all elderly persons wear the expression of ... disappointment. " -- Arthur Schopenhauer

So the reason why you picked Linux instead of BSD is because you are stupid. Since We BSD people do not want stupid people in our community I'm glad you picked Linux instead of BSD.

"Oh, and Mac OSX is derived from NeXTOS (Jobs's other company that failed), which has BSD roots. Common roots with FreeBSD and NetBSD, but it did not come *from* either one of those."

Funny thing the FreeBSD hacker Jordan K. Hubbard was hired as head engineer or one of the head engineers for apple to work on core of MacOSX then eh ? BSD powers two of the best operating systems in the world--Solaris from Sun Microsystems (OpenSolaris is based on Solaris) and OS X from Apple Computer (nasdaq: AAPL - news - people ).

Rebuttal Anonymous

"beknighted retards"? "gay faggotry"? Really, you don't even write correct English, and your venomous tone opens you up to criticism, and makes you seem uneducated. "

I see nothing wrong with that English especially since you did not point out any specific technical errors. We all know uneducated people quote Arthur Schopenhauer like I just did above right ? You are nothing but a dumb Linux user. Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that. I could care less if you think I am uneducated or not. Now go back to using your piece of crap punk ass bitch faggot OS.

If a new nix user wants to use solaris why not, good article

One other great feature you did not mention in the article is that opensolaris/solaris has been trying to do away with the /etc/init.d startup scripts used in linus and solaris up until solaris9, replacing them with xml manifests that control script startup/shutdown order and dependencies; so for example an accidental kill -9 on mysql would indeed stop it, bit the system would restart it again without intervention (plus recycle any components dependant upon mysql). You'd have to use svcadm to stop it if you really wanted to, and all dependent apps would be stopped in the correct order first.

Coverage of commands svcadm, svcs and use of manifests should be another follow up article as that is probably going to be a more immediate need for a new user that creating zones. And will also throw experienced solaris administrators if they haven't played with solaris 10 before, but the inclusion of 'self-healing' into opensolaris is another plus for it.

Lots of comments dumping on opensolaris, wonder how many peope making some of the comments have even used it.

ZFS I really loved, it's use of effectively hard quotas on a file system to allow dynamic resizing of filesystems in a ZFS pool, as noted in one of the comments above, was really great. Much easier than LVM for shrinking filesystems as needed, although apart from that the only other, but transparent, benefit to most *nix users would be the built in data checking in ZFS that most home users would never know was there.

While grub not booting ZFS was mentioned earlier thats no more an issue than grub not being able to boot ext4, FC11 has a seperate boot partition and data filesystem rather than a single filesystem for that reason. And while grub2 is on the way origionally opensolaris couldn't boot from a ZFS root, it can now; so just a case of both opensolaris and linux being improved all the time which is what we all want anyway.

I stopped using opensolaris when they dropped the 'failsafe boot' option from the installation. I think that gets back to the comment above about no command line. For me no single user boot option meant a re-install every time I broke something. Has it been brought back ?, don't know, gave up.

The only other issue I really had with opensolaris and solaris was it doesn't really play well with virtual machines. It may play nicely with VirtualBox now SUN (well now Oracle I suppose) own that, it certainly didn't origionally.
And network drivers for opensolaris/solaris took a lot of hunting down (not just for VM images but even physical bare metal installs), and manual installation. It may be better now, about two years since I last tried an install of that.

However at sunfreeware.com you can find many of the packages found in linux distributions so there is no real reason why any new user looking for a *nix solution shouldn't choose opensolaris over a linux distribution.

For myself, I prefer linux for home use simply because I am more familiar with it.
For a completely new user why shouldn't they learn to use pkg rather than apt-get or yum. They have a new learning curve either way.

The purpose of the article was to say there is another option to linux and while covering only opensolaris rather than the many other options also out there (and there are many more other than just FreeBSD someone was championing above) it covered opensolaris extremely well.
When I was playing with Solaris10 and OpenSolaris it took me many months of searching the SUN site for information on ZFS and Solaris zones and this article has the seeds of all that information summarised in one place. Pherhaps more information than a home user really wants, will they use zones from day 1 :-); but when they need it it's in the article that started down the opensolaris path here.

And for commercial use, well a lot of the opensolaris features are rolled into Solaris10 which you can get a support license from SUN for if you want; no different than fedora features being rolled into redhat and supported for a support cost.

Well, it's "benighted", for

Well, it's "benighted", for one.

Also, I think you might be high on amphetamines.

another mistake

See I just replied so fast in that last post that I said 'How' instead of 'Who' by mistake ? All Grammarians should hung, shot and quartered.

It must be that everyone's

It must be that everyone's just so befuddled about how to respond to your charges of "gay faggotry" to come up with any cogent responses to such well-reasoned arguments as "Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that" and "go back to using your piece of crap punk ass bitch faggot OS."

In retrospect, it's clear now that NetBSD is indeed the superior operating system. Verily, we should all genuflect before your rhetorical brilliance.

stuff this in your beak faggot penquin

"Well, it's "benighted", for one.

Also, I think you might be high on amphetamines." -- Anonynmous penquin

Stuff this in your pipe and smoke it you faggot penquin :

Literary usage of Beknighted

Below you will find example usage of this term as found in modern and/or classical literature:

1. The Overland Monthly by Bret Harte (1875)
"I hcv heerd as how he's been beknighted for building a railroad there, but I don't allow much upon it. There ain't no one but me and Silas left now, ..."

2. A Complete Collection of State Trials and Proceedings for High Treason and ...by Thomas Bayly Howell, William Cobbett by Thomas Bayly Howell, William Cobbett (1816)
"... if the Papists rise and ! cut our throats, you'll beknighted; it nut, you'll be hanged. Here's first what you said to Mr. Atkins, and then this ..."

3. Sketches of the Irish Bar by Richard Lalor Sheil, Robert Shelton Mackenzie (1854)
"Carefully pocketing the gold, the beknighted landlord made his best bow, and said, “As to that, your Excellency, ‘tis all one to me—but ..."

4. Efficiency and Empire by Arnold White (1901)
"Almost everyone is beknighted, and no one can eventually avoid knighthood. Even the senior clerks in the Foreign Office obtain ..."

5. President Garfield and Education: Hiram College Memorial by Burke Aaron Hinsdale, Hiram college, Hiram, O. (1881)
"... commenced to teach in that part of Ohio which has been called " benighted Ashta- bula" (I suggest " beknighted" as the proper spelling of the word). ..."

I say beknighted is the proper spelling and that you asserting that 'benighted' is the proper spelling is nothing more than peddling a corrupted newfangled version of the English language.

To: NetBSD user

Thanks for proving my point about the unbelievably hostile, rude, and childish attitude BSDers had and still have.

I don't see how Apple hiring "FreeBSD hacker" retroactively makes NeXTOS into FreeBSD... You have temporal issues.
Get over yourself, get a clue, get a life, and get some sleep - you've got to go back to junior-high school in the morning (or did you drop out because you're so much "smarter" than your teachers?).

For what it's worth, I've used FreeBSD... I found it interesting but quite behind in what I was looking for.
The BSD version of run control scripts could not be more primitive, for example. Nothing like emulating SunOS 4.1.1, eh?

I could never imagine trying to use any of the BSDs on my DNS-323, any of my modified WRT54G routers, my Nokia Internet Tablet, etc. Linux works perfectly fine for them all.

If I want a server that is rock-solid-secure, I'd run OpenBSD before any of the other BSDs. FreeBSD doesn't interest me and NetBSD is a toy for people with hardware older than my SPARCstation 10s. I have no use for something that takes more of my time than my career to get basic functionality out of. I have something called "a life".
Seriously, why are you even HERE?

Oh and Solaris (as opposed to the old SunOS 4.x.x) is AT&T based, not BSD based. They only kept a small amount of BSD-ish cruft to make it backward compatible until Solaris 2.5.1 or so, then even that was abandoned.

So as I am not stooping to your level and posting flame-bait on a BSD forum (what a tool)... I will post something actually contributing to the above article (boy does this site need a moderator).

My above comment "In my opinion, OpenSolaris is quite ready for the typical windows end-user, but it's close. " should actually read "In my opinion, OpenSolaris isN'T quite ready for the typical windows end-user, but it's close. "

To the author and to Anonymous

Thank you for the nice article. Even though I have used OpenSolaris for a bit, I appreciate articles like this as it provides another perspective to some of my friends who are either new to OpenSolaris, or merely considering it.

Also, thanks to anonymous poster who mentioned coherence, that's one DLNA server I wasn't familiar with and I've been looking for one to set up on my Solaris server so I can shut down my Linux media server when it's not needed. I'm currently using MediaTomb and have tried ps3mediaserver, but both are a pain to get running on *Solaris.

It's too bad there are people as immature and insecure as "NetBSD user" trolling here (there is obviously no reason whatsoever for him/her to be here other than to troll).
I would apologize for his/her behavior, but I'm proud to say I'm not a member of his/her elitist/bigoted crowd (I really don't see how some people take that as a complement).

Some good posts here... but BSD user... honestly... wtf.

@Kevin

Kevin, thank you very much for a very informative post on OpenSolaris and specifically ZFS, those are excellent features and I will very seriously consider testing out OpenSolaris. I wish more people contributed actually relevant material on threads like this.

@Anonymous NetBSD user

Wow, you give little comfort, or help to an OS you like, I have a few FreeBSD boxes out there, and recommend it as a stable unix OS for some needs Linux is unfortunately not up to speed on. It has many great features I like.

However, your venom directed to Linux users is, quite frankly bizarre, and not really the kind of behavior i'd expect from any geek, or any human in general, if you dont like linux, dont use it, why spout your hatred. You only make *BSD users appear to be hate filled know-it-alls.

It is clear to me you are deeply, socially inept, and your lack of common sense simply baffles me, are all BSD users like you ? Thankfully not, I know many unix admins who are not such pompous imbeciles as yourself. The uber-geek mentality is really counter productive. It seems the more I learn, the less I know.

I really appreciate the time and effort anyone puts into creating a great OS especially a free OS. Nothing is perfect, but your obnoxious post are quite irrelevant to progress IMHO.

I agree, you are either on amphetamines as someone suggested above... or perhaps, just a basic moron, in any case, I feel sorry for any co-workers you have.

In closing, I hope you learn to get along with your fellow human beings one day, and maybe you will contribute something positive to the world.

Right now, you just sound sad and pathetic, poor you.

Soooo slooooow!!!

Open Solaris, remembers me the good old DOS days, when Solaris (the original, not the open version), was known as...Slowaris! :-)
I still can't see what advantage brings to the desktop user (not the server admin), the extra delays.

more stupidity from linux users

Anonynmous penquin writes to me "
"However, your venom directed to Linux users is, quite frankly bizarre, and not really the kind of behavior i'd expect from any geek, or any human in general, if you dont like linux, dont use it, why spout your hatred. You only make *BSD users appear to be hate filled know-it-alls."

If I appear to make all BSD users look that way that is because most people on the planet do not have much intellectual capacity to work with hence they think linearly while not taking into account the philosophical concept of emergent properties. The fact that the group may exhibit properties which are not manifest in individuals.
The classic example of emergent properties is salt, which is composed of sodium and chlorine: While both of these substances are poisonous separately, their combination as sodium chloride is essential to life; hence the life-giving properties of salt are 'emergent'. The Emergent properties concept can work both ways though with positive attributes given to the group as a whole when taken into consideration and while negative attributes might be seen in an individual or a few isolated individuals of a group. So that you think that I am a moron when it is clear that you are the idiot/moron here for saying I make all BSD users look bad. That doesn't work logically. So you are a stupid Linux user. Is t his surprising ? No ! Like I already stated Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that. Your comment above shows that you are stupid. I don't care if most people (who are too stupid to think past linear thinking) think about me. So your reply is an exercise in futile idiocy.

NetBSD users making Linux users look stupid since around 1993

Here is a new slogan NetBSD users making Linux users look stupid since around 1991-1993 ! Actually I'll repost my comment since I noticed a grammar mistake (grammar Nazis here !) and I'll edit it comment to make it more lucid (It was less coherent the first time around because I'm trying to reply to fast to people attacking me etc.. ):

Anonynmous penquin writes to me :
"
"However, your venom directed to Linux users is, quite frankly bizarre, and not really the kind of behavior i'd expect from any geek, or any human in general, if you dont like linux, dont use it, why spout your hatred. You only make *BSD users appear to be hate filled know-it-alls."

If I appear to make all BSD users look that way that is because most people on the planet do not have much intellectual capacity to work with hence they think linearly while not taking into account the philosophical concept of emergent properties. The fact that the group may exhibit properties which are not manifest in individuals.
The classic example of emergent properties is salt, which is composed of sodium and chlorine: While both of these substances are poisonous separately, their combination as sodium chloride is essential to life; hence the life-giving properties of salt are 'emergent'. The concept is obvious here with positive attributes given to the group as a whole when taken into consideration and while negative attributes might be seen in an individual or a few isolated individuals of a group. So that you think that I am a moron when it is clear that you are the idiot/moron here for saying I make all BSD users look bad. That doesn't work logically. So you are a stupid Linux user. Is t his surprising ? No ! Like I already stated Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that. Your comment above shows that you are stupid. I don't care what most people (who are too stupid to think past linear thinking) think about me. So your reply is an exercise in futile idiocy.

Ok, now that is more lucid and grammatically correct etc..

last post was under the wrong nickname

Last post I posted so fast that It was under 'anonymous penquin' the default setting instead of 'Anonymous NetBSD user' in my last reply by sheer oversight. Anyway, anymore of you idiotic linux users want a piece of this NetBSD user ? I enjoy making Linux users look stupid on the internet.

"NetBSD users making Linux users look stupid since around 1991-1993 !" -- Anonymous NetBSD user

@anonymous penquin

" You only make *BSD users appear to be hate filled know-it-alls." --anonymous penquin

There is nothing wrong with hate as long as it is targeted at hateful things. I find Linux to be a worthy target of scorn/hatred.

BSD does the job for us

We use FreeBSD on several servers and it just keeps going. It's a little simpler than Solaris but that translates into cheaper as well - less staff, less resources, less fix-ups. When we considered Solaris we had a Sun rep out to brag about fortune 500 this and superior that, but at the end of the day, we would also be out many tens of thousands of dollars for hardware and services. I just don't see any room for Solaris in our server room at this time. BSD on the servers and Linux on the desktops - everyone's happy.

@ Anonymous NetBSD user

You are right, you only make *yourself* look like a hate filled know-it-all. That you promote an OS you think is superior, in a manner befitting an imbecile is your choice.

So far most BSD users i've met were not socially retarded.

repost of a comment

I said '200' instead of 2000 by accident in my last post so I'll repost this comment :

"For what it's worth, I've used FreeBSD... I found it interesting but quite behind in what I was looking for.
The BSD version of run control scripts could not be more primitive, for example. Nothing like emulating SunOS 4.1.1, eh? " A Nony Mouse

"I haven't used FreeBSD since around the year 2000 or so I'm not going to talk about FreeBSD. FreeBSD reminds me the most of Linux out of the three main BSDs so I don't use it because being reminded of Linux is psychologically painful." Anonymous NetBSD user

Senior Consultant

Hi,

Open Solaris has not enough commands for administrator and

has poor community

Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that...???

I thought the title of the article is "OpenSolaris vs Linux".... I haven't tried OpenSolaris (or Solaris) yet, but I use FreeBSD (testing and development), NetBSD (on my notebook) and OpenBSD (publically accessible server). At home, alas, I'm stuck with Ubuntu because my family members want the latest/greatest toys and the availability of the huge software repositories. Yet that's the position that distro's such as Ubuntu serve... to serve the needs and wants of the end-user without the headaches associated almost exclusively with Microsoft products. Mac is great, but unfortunately so expensive that it's cost-prohibitive to many end-users.
My understanding is that proprietary Solaris is a good comparison to BSD when considering the server market, while OpenSolaris is more pointed to the end-user market. It's worth taking a look at what could be another solution/option for the end-user, and in that respect I would garner that it's a step in the right direction; and even a leap in the right direction if the raves about the filesystem protocol that's been outlined here contain even a smidgen of truth. If I like it, I may just join the OS community that builds it. OS is about innovation and adaptation in a community atmosphere in order to over-come obstacles in a way that works according to the community's wants/needs rather than those of the licensing holder. Right now Linux is the OS environment that does this the best, and if OpenSolaris is a portal to those huge resources, then all the better for them, no?
That said, in response to the genius who thinks that he believes that "Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that"... you may think that you're superior (and I would hope that you are in at least 1 little tiny way, just to make your existence tenable) but remember that being superior will do you diddly when you meet your maker. On that day, sir, you will fall with your tail between your legs in a display of the underlying cowardice that your words of hostility belie. It's easy to talk tough but unless you can act tough all you're doing is make people embarrassed to listen to you rant. It deprecates anything of value that you may have had to say. It's boring. Give it up and join the rest of us "dumb bitches" and enjoy life a little, okay? *_sheesh_*

rebuttal

"You are right, you only make *yourself* look like a hate filled know-it-all. That you promote an OS you think is superior, in a manner befitting an imbecile is your choice." --Anonymous Penquin

This is just so superficial, vacuous and empty sounding in regards to my specific post that I am not going to expound upon it.

"So far most BSD users i've met were not socially retarded." -- Anoynmous Penquin

Actually, Most humans in the modern geopolitical north have not changed much since the neolithic age. So I will call this group neolithic humans (average IQ 90-130). Neolithic humans have a strong social consciousness and pay a lot of attention to social structures and relationships. Now the cognitive elite IQ (average IQ range 130-150) puts much emphasis and energy towards pursuing knowledge and often have less of a work ethic and poor social skills as a result. So you calling me 'socially retarded' is actually paying me a compliment by saying that I am the cognitive elite or share traits in common with this elite group. If this place had an edit button I could polish up the grammar on my posts (which I am used to doing without a word processor on internet forums). However, since this place doesn't have an edit function you will just have to suffer through it.

Ludwig Wittgenstein comments on your stupidity :

"I don't know why we are here, but I'm pretty sure that it is not in order to enjoy ourselves." -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

This should be obvious but :

This should be obvious but since it would not be wise of me to overestimate the intelligence of Linux users as a group I should clarify (this was obviously a brilliant retorsio argumenti dialectical response on my part). It is not just the 'socially retarded' part in and of itself but also the fact that you called me a 'know-it-all' which requires more knowledge than the average human has that makes this so cogent and brilliant :

Anonymous NetBSD user (not verified) - September 16, 2009 @ 6:48am

"You are right, you only make *yourself* look like a hate filled know-it-all. That you promote an OS you think is superior, in a manner befitting an imbecile is your choice." --Anonymous Penquin

This is just so superficial, vacuous and empty sounding in regards to my specific post that I am not going to expound upon it.

"So far most BSD users i've met were not socially retarded." -- Anoynmous Penquin

Actually, Most humans in the modern geopolitical north have not changed much since the neolithic age. So I will call this group neolithic humans (average IQ 90-130). Neolithic humans have a strong social consciousness and pay a lot of attention to social structures and relationships. Now the cognitive elite IQ (average IQ range 130-150) puts much emphasis and energy towards pursuing knowledge and often have less of a work ethic and poor social skills as a result. So you calling me 'socially retarded' is actually paying me a compliment by saying that I am the cognitive elite or share traits in common with this elite group. If this place had an edit button I could polish up the grammar on my posts (which I am used to doing without a word processor on internet forums). However, since this place doesn't have an edit function you will just have to suffer through it.

in other words

In otherwords for people who are slow on the uptake I used a philosophical dialectical tactic called retorsio argumenti e.g. I turned the tables around from being an 'imbecile' as he called me into being the cognitive elite or like the cognitive elite to such a degree mean that I am not an imbecile.

How many Penguin Linux philosophers do we have here ? Probably none being that Linux is full of ignorant, dumb stupid bitches.

@Anonymous NetBSD

While you're right at some point, please stop the insults and stop making the BSD community look like a bunch of 17 year-olds with hormone problems, throwing insults at people having different taste. Some (many?) will think that this is the way all BSD users talk/feel/think , and it ain't fair. And btw, quoting Schopenhauer won't make you look any wiser.

more elucidation :

"That said, in response to the genius who thinks that he believes that "Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that"... you may think that you're superior (and I would hope that you are in at least 1 little tiny way, just to make your existence tenable) but remember that being superior will do you diddly when you meet your maker. " --- anonymous penquin

Now I already showed why that statement is incoherent from a Scientific point of view. The two expository subjects that deal with truth are philosophy and science. Everything else is bullshit. So I already quoted Ludwig Wittgenstein but not in regards to this specific point. However, it should go without saying that Ludwig Wittgenstein considered metaphysical propositions to be nonsensical. So you are incoherent from both a scientific point of view and a philosophical point of view. But what of this truth ? :

"Truth has no manners. It is no respecter of persons. It wounds kings as deeply as commoners. It cuts down the high, and confirms the lowness of the low. It may dress up for formal occasions, but it does so only in order that it may more shockingly expose itself in front of the assembled company. And just as it respects no one, likewise there are few who respect it. But those who do are granted many favors -- power, understanding, dominion, and of course the honor of the unswerving hatred of the ignorant millions." -- John Bryant

oops big mistake

Ooops, big mistake here ( I probably made it because I didn't sleep last night)

"Also, quoting Schopenhauer is very apropos since the GPL is socialist or Communist in an Anarcho-Capitalist".

I meant anarhco-syndicalist. Anarcho-Capitalism would be more like Libertarianism hence the polar opposite of Socialism and Communism which are in effect totalitarian and statist.

my last two posts

My last two posts were under the moniker 'anonymous penquin' and anonymous *BSD. I presume more oversights and mistakes due to lack of sleep. However, making that clear gives me an opportunity to fix a typo before I go to sleep :

I meant anarcho-syndicalist and not 'anarhco-syndicalist' or 'anarcho-capitalist.' Missing sleep really does make one dumber temporarily. I read it from various reputable sources.

@Anonymous NetBSD or whatever

Philosohpy has nothing to do with manners and courtesy and especially basic common sense. And like I said, please think about the community you (in some readers' view) represent. I reckon those philosophical quotes and sociological terms come only from the need (urge) to impress. Howdy, you impress none. The fact that your IQ is above average or that you're using NetBSD doesn't make you superior. The comments and the foul words make you inferior. Have a nice day.

@NetBSD user

With all due respect and apologies towards disabled people, but this silly troll deserves this:

"Arguing on the Internet is like Special Olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded."

Seriously. WTF? Would you please stop make BSD users look so bad?

Even if what you say is partially true (e.g. Ubuntu and many other Linux distros being quite bloated; catering to dummy users who probably should not even be using a computer in the first place, and what not ...) your lack of style totally ruins it all and in fact just makes you look like a total moron. No quoting of Schopenhauer and what not can remedy that. It just shows that you're good at Googling quotes, it doesn't make you look "intelligent" one little bit, and it certainly doesn't help your argument and your flaming. And the latter makes you look totally imbecile.

So you hate Linux ... fine. We got it. Now could you drop off your mental manure somewhere else please? I am sure there are BSD forums where an imbecile like you can ridicule BSD newbies and vent off there?

BTW: Solaris is not based on BSD ("SunOS" was). Maybe you're not that good at Googling after all?

Re: Ctrl-Alt-Fn disabled and Wireless

Virtual Consoles are implemented although not enabled by default (due to some minor issues) in Build 122. Should be enabled by default in build 123 or later.

I'm using Build 122 on a new Acer Aspire 1 and it work great.
I'm using ZFS mirror and compression, so I get data security/checksumming and some of the capacity back with compression. I have tried Ubuntu before; I had a catastrophic filesystem failure after and x windows crash.

OSOL runs great on the aspire. Wireless works out of the box and even the webcam works out of the box on this build. I've got the new KDE4.3 packages installed as well as gnome. I've got eclipse 3.4 and 3.5 as well as netbeans and sun studio. Can run chrome under XP in virtual box. USB device passthru now works to the virtual XP instance e.g. for scanners that have better XP drivers than under any unix/linux.

Build 122 also has GNU parted so you can resize partitions etc from the OSOL live cd. The virtual consoles and parted are examples of the progress since 2009.06.

There are some really good zfs, OSOL and sun interviews on FLOSS weekly eps 75 58 and esp 39 (awesome Simon Phipps interview).

The offensive dude has a point...

While I shake my head at much of the childish ranting here, the offensive one has a point -- the Linux community has changed dramatically over the years. It used to be the case that any arbitrary distro would, firstly, consider the general geek user, i.e., the distros were geared towards a proper development environment, and anything else was an extra. This pleased me. Nowadays, Linux (destop variety, that is) seems to be aimed at trivialities -- more interested in skins for your multimedia apps than your standard include directories. I hate the direction Linux is going in. I may need to abandon it for something that caters for old school *nix needs first, and bloated crapware second.

@ Average Geek

Average Geek wrote:
> the offensive one has a point ...
... But he's ruining it all with his utter rudeness and "ad hominem" attacks.

> the Linux community has changed dramatically
> over the years.
True. Nonetheless that's no reason to call other people "bitches" and what not like that imbecile did.

> I hate the direction Linux is going in.
I guess by "Linux" you certainly mean certain distributions of Linux? And not "Linux" == kernel?

So if we are talking about the direction certain Linux distributions are going or already have gone (Novell SUSE! ... yuck ... ) then yes, you are right. It's also problematic how some distros seem to attract a certain type of newbie who is totally unwilling to learn anything new but instead expects and demands to find a "2nd Windows". And even better: if you try and help them they treat you like you owe them something. I find that problematic and even disgusting.

> I may need to abandon it for something
> that caters for old school *nix needs first

Exactly. Some of my systems at home now run Solaris 10. It's what I use professionally all the time as well and the chances of newbie users perverting the OS (like what happens in many Linux distros right now) are rather small. Some of my hardware is not fully supported yet but as soon as that happens I might permanently abandon Linux. It will be interesting to see what the next Solaris release ("Solaris 11"? "Solaris Next"? ...) will offer.

Great article!

Nice work, this article is filled with nothing but useful information!

Nevertheless, I disagree when you say that OpenSolaris performance is much slower than Ubuntu on the same hardware. I have both OSs installed on my laptop and exprience the exact opposite.

Solaris is a Great Server

Someone above mentioned this as well.

You can load a Solaris Server and it will continue to operate with the CPUs pegged and the RAM full.

I've seen Linux AND *BSD servers lock up when heavily loaded. With Solaris, I've never seen a load limit access to the terminal or SSH services, you can log in and easily diagnose the source of the load and perform operations.

Other OSes tend to lock and require a hard boot.

Great Article - Thanks

Thanks for the article. And thanks to NONY Mouse for a really great writeup on ZFS.

If I had a beard I'd certainly qualify as a *nix "greybeard" as my career took that direction in the early 1980s with Exxon. Now I admin systems running FreeBSD, Linux, and Windows2003 depending upon the clients' needs. The comments made by NoNY Mouse have piqued my interest in Open Solaris which, I must admit, has not figured highly on my list. Certainly seems worth investigating.

It's worth noting that a Stanford researcher crafted a test that determined an interesting point: stupid people think that they are just as smart - or smarter - than everyone else. Well illustrated here.

This is fatuous

"Philosohpy has nothing to do with manners and courtesy and especially basic common sense. And like I said, please think about the community you (in some readers' view) represent. I reckon those philosophical quotes and sociological terms come only from the need (urge) to impress. Howdy, you impress none. The fact that your IQ is above average or that you're using NetBSD doesn't make you superior. The comments and the foul words make you inferior. Have a nice day." -- Anonymous BSD

This response is so fatuous that it makes me suspicious that you are really a non-BSD user in reality (masquerading as a BSD user). Trying to get me to take it easy on Linux users and whatnot. Philosophy actually does have to do with manners and courtesy. Philosophy encompasses truths that do not lie outside the scope of one's normal, routine, daily experience. Science in contrast to philosophy (a philosophical book appeals to no observations or facts that lie outside the experience of ordinary men) deals with facts that cannot be checked in terms of the ordinary experience of average men. I didn't just merely quote philosophers but I added my own philosophical comments as well. This does not stem from a need to impress but it stems from my need to state truth about the universe. I am incorruptible in comparison to most men in that I only concern myself with philosophy and science for the most part and I only speak the truth no matter whose Ox gets gored. According to the philosophy of Julius Evola I try to live by the standards of the Golden age as much as possible even though according to him we are now living in the Kali Yuga. Words such as "incorruptible,” “solar,” “luminous,” and “bright" cluster about the Golden Age. You state that I am not superior absolutely and that I am inferior absolutely i.e. an absolute black and white sense which shows that you are not intelligent in my view. I guess you didn't read that book I posted about Arthur Schopenhauer if you are still concerned so much about what other people might think of you as (an ostensible BSD users in the very least) if you are still prattling on about this nonsense ? Good job you illiterate.
In any event event even ignoring my post on emergent properties for a minute here. How can I possibly make the BSD community look bad by 'representing them' ? I'm not even on the NetBSD core team at this point in history (not that you have any way of verifying that). However, I swear I am speaking the truth.

More stupidity ...

I'll fix a typo before I respond to yet another person here:

"(an ostensible BSD users in the very least) " should have been )"

That in my above post should have had the word user instead of 'users' in it.
Scorp123 :

"With all due respect and apologies towards disabled people, but this silly troll deserves this:

"Arguing on the Internet is like Special Olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded." ---

I've actually heard that said on the internet before using a picture illustration even. Unfortunately that is just sheer idiocy. Dialectical disputes while not logical or not completely logical in nature can produce a relative conviction or a conviction in your opponent and can make him doubt that his position is right (that he is in the right). So in most cases (if the person is not obtuse) he rethinks things in a different way. In otherwords dialectical disputes can change people's minds. Due to the baseness of human nature I am forced to engage in dialectics instead of pure logic. If men were thoroughly honorable I would not have to resort to such chicanery but unfortunately that is not the case.

"Seriously. WTF? Would you please stop make BSD users look so bad?" Scorp123

translation : I'm too illiterate and stupid to understand your post about emergent properties and to read the chapter from Schopenhauer's book I postd.

"Even if what you say is partially true (e.g. Ubuntu and many other Linux distros being quite bloated; catering to dummy users who probably should not even be using a computer in the first place, and what not ...) your lack of style totally ruins it all and in fact just makes you look like a total moron. " --- Scorp123

That it makes me look like a moron is merely your opinion but I do not place too much value in other people's opinion of me because I read Arthur Schopnehauer's book unlike you (even though I gave you the chance to read it). In otherwords I don't care that you think (ostensibly at least) that I am a 'moron'. I am not phased at all.

" No quoting of Schopenhauer and what not can remedy that. It just shows that you're good at Googling quotes, it doesn't make you look "intelligent" one little bit, and it certainly doesn't help your argument and your flaming. And the latter makes you look totally imbecile."-- scorpio123

More worthless subjective opinions (ostensible at least I don't know that you actually believe what you are saying is true or not and I don't really care either).

"So you hate Linux ... fine. We got it. Now could you drop off your mental manure somewhere else please? I am sure there are BSD forums where an imbecile like you can ridicule BSD newbies and vent off there?" -- scorp123

I've never met a clueless NetBSD or OpenBSD newbie. I have also never encountered a clueless FreeBSD newbie but I would have to assume that FreeBSD would have more clueless newbies than the other two though. I have never had to ridicule a BSD newbie before.

"BTW: Solaris is not based on BSD ("SunOS" was). Maybe you're not that good at Googling after all?" -- scorp123

Oh, yeah mister Rocket Scientist ? I said that BSD powers Solaris. Solaris 1 was BSD derived and Solaris 2.X, Solaris 7 and Solaris 10 are SVR4 derived. SVR4 can be said to be a mix of BSD, SySV and Xenix. So BSD does power Solaris.

@NetBSD clown

I've read through your postings and find them most humorous.
I'm not laughing with you at the Linux users, I'm laughing at you.

I agree, slighly, that Linux (you are generalizing far too much), or more specifically Ubuntu, is for newbies - I set my brother up since he is new to computers and doesn't understand how to avoid viruses, and he loves it!

However, the more you post, the more you reveal about yourself.
The fact that you refer to SunOS as "Solaris 1" illustrates your lack of experience and youth. SunOS was, indeed, BSD based, having a BSD kernel and the BSD silly double-boot (boot ro, fsck, reboot rw) and a kernel that had to be recompiled to make minor adjustments.
Solaris (2) is AT&T based, using an AT&T kernel, loadable kernel modules, runtime adjustable components, etc. It was massively more advanced than the old BSD version.
FYI: The difference between Solaris 9 and Solaris 10 is nearly as enormous as the difference between SunOS and Solaris, but I doubt you've paid enough attention to understand what you are missing.

As far as NetBSD being used by NASA... let's all try googling.
First search "site:nasa.gov netbsd"
Second search "site:nasa.gov solaris"
Third search "site:nasa.gov linux"
Hmmm...
If they love NetBSD so much, please explain why NASA, those who wrote Beowulf, chose Linux. In its infancy, no less (it was only 4 when Beowulf was released, while NetBSD was far more mature, at least age-wise).
Note the Beowulf supercomputer clusters at LANL, LLNL, and many dozens of other sites around the world.
How many OpenSolaris systems are listed top500.org?
How many Linux?
Now how many NetBSD?

You're right... you are MUCH smarter than all of the lead scientists in the world. Please get in your Star Trek shuttle (still in the original package) that you picked up at Comic-Con and fly away so you may be in peace.

You don't know what you are doing :

"I've seen Linux AND *BSD servers lock up when heavily loaded. With Solaris, I've never seen a load limit access to the terminal or SSH services, you can log in and easily diagnose the source of the load and perform operations." -- Anyonymous Penquin

In otherwords you or the sysadmin of that BSD system didn't know what you are doing. For instance I doubt you checked the sysctl variables for the kernel state let alone tweak them for performance. In otherwords you are just another dumb ignorant linux bitch.

I apologize

My mom caught me posting these and says I have to apologize.
She said if my dad hadn't left us when I was 3, he'd kick my ass.

I'm actually 27 and living at home, I can't keep a job because of my rudeness, and I'm a nazi.
I'm gay too, so that introduces the self-hatred that I'm imparting onto you all.
I'm also 5'3" and 320 lbs and the neighbor's 14 year old girl beats me up when I go outside.

@Cow-herd... I couldn't go to Comic-Con this year because no-one would let me stay with them and I'm broke.

I'm sorry for being such a douchebag.

dirty underhanded tricks

my last post had a minor grammar error I should have been used 'were' instead of 'are' in a proposition.

"I apologize"

No I don't (at least not to you)

"My mom caught me posting these and says I have to apologize. She said if my dad hadn't left us when I was 3, he'd kick my ass. "

My parents are still married and I'm not living home with them.

"I'm actually 27 and living at home, I can't keep a job because of my rudeness, and I'm a nazi."

I'm actually 31 but physically I probably look about 27 because I do vigorous cardio-vascular excercise and that makes people look younger. I dunno how you came up with that 27 number without seeing me in reality. I'm not a Nazi. I'm actually a Libertarian of sorts ( I recognize there a flaws with mainstream Libertarianism that need to be addressed though). While I am not a Nazi I have ideas and attitudes about organize Jewry that others might consider to be anti-semetic. Although I don't necessarily consider myself to be anti-semetic.

"I'm gay too, so that introduces the self-hatred that I'm imparting onto you all."

I'm heterosexual sexual.

"I'm also 5'3" and 320 lbs and the neighbor's 14 year old girl beats me up when I go outside."

I'm about 6 foot tall and 175 pounds with a normal BMI index and the body of an underwear model (or close to it). I don't excercise to look like a model but having the body or a body close to an underwear is a unintentional side-effect of doing an extreme modified version of the NAVy SEALs workout regimen

"Cow-herd... I couldn't go to Comic-Con this year because no-one would let me stay with them and I'm broke."

I don't read comics and never really got into them as a kid either.

"I'm sorry for being such a douchebag."

I'm sorry you had to stoop so low

Re: Richard Stallman is a Communist Jew

Big mistake. Stallman is anarchist, nor communist (don't mix the two). And he particularly limits his anarchistic approach to technological issues filtering out other stuff.

Re: More on Linux communism

This quotes are absurd. Didn't you find anything more intelligent? They should learn at least the difference between anarchism and communism first.

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