Open Ballot:

This week will see the release Windows 8, and it hasn't exactly impressed many commentators.

of course, this isn't the first time that Microsoft has launched a version of Windows that has failed to excite (remember Vista?), but in the past the Linux has failed to capitalise on Microsoft's errors and capture new users.

We want to know what you think the Linux community can do this time around to bring dissatisfied Windowsers into the Linux fold. Is it all about the hardware, or should we emphasis the community? Should Linux users or Linux companies lead the charge? Should we target businesses or home users?

Let us know your views and we'll read them out on our next podcast.

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Too many distros

I love the choice of Linux distributions. But for the average user, they don't care about the O/S. They just care that they can browse the web, edit documents and bank online. If Windows is delivered on the PC and it does the job, then there's little incentive to switch.

Get Linux distributions pre-installed on machines, and you might see widespread adoption.


Once people are exposed to a smooth running and awsome distro like Ubuntu or Mint (just examples - there are many more) they generally find Linux awsome, especially if their Windows is slow and broken. The sad fact is that most people don't even think of Linux as an option for them. If a big company such as canonical is willing, a little promotion could go a long way.

Hardware still an issue & where do folks get help?

Every time I try to help family members with their Windows computer problems I'm always glad that I use a Gnu/Linux OS (currently Xubuntu 12.04 LTS). Whilst I'd like to suggest using a Gnu/Linux OS to my folks,I was concerned about not burning all my bridges as both of my family members didn't have a DVD with which to restore their Windows-XP or Windows-Vista OS. Also with my own problems of getting a printer to work there's that printer driver problem. Lastly there's the issue of the learning curve involved in using the new OS plus where do folks go for help and support.

I guess folks have to be dissatisfied to such an extent that the only way forward is to make the switch. I have tried the windows-8 pre-release on a notebook running Windows-Vista, but due to some fault with the LAN driver (and not having a WiFi card) I couldn't access the Internet! So given this experience I don't see much of a future for Windows-8. So I installed Zorin 6 lite and now have a working notebook again (thus breathing new life into an old notebook).

So to bring my family into the Linux fold might be achieved by letting them use this notebook for a while knowing that they can still use their existing machines and giving me time to sort out possible printer problems. I would quite like to suggest using using Google's Chrome OS but as far as I know you can't down load an .iso

Windows 8 is just the field test release.

Windows release on a odd - even cycle like the kernel of old. They make big innovations in the odd release (Vista, Windows 8) and then pull back on the more crazy stuff that comes back from field testing it. IT operations have only just taken on the move to Win7 and won't be upgrading to at least the next version. The downgrade option ensures they loose no sales and they get great publicity either way.


Learning Curve

This is the first time since 1995 that Windows has had a steep learning curve. Usually, it makes sense to the average non-computer person to stay with what they know. They don't want to learn something new. Most modern, popular Linux GUIs are close enough to the old Windows that it might be easier to get people to consider it now that Windows has turned into something completely alien to them.

One thing I rarely see considered in discussions about getting people to run Linux are the systems that use a Linux kernel but have a different user land. These are ideal for the average person who just wants to check their email, browse the web, and occasionally edit a simple document. Android and ChromeOS are great alternatives to full desktop systems for basic users who don't want to learn a more complex system and they're Linux, even if they don't work at all like we expect ordinary Linux systems to work.

Developers Developers Developers..

To coin a phrase from Ballmer. If the reports of dropping all the dev technologies MS has built up over the past decade, .Net, Silverlight etc. etc. are true then offering a stable development platform is key. Added to that the ease to deploy your software compared to some locked down MS version of an App store could really make the difference. Things like the Quickly framework on Ubuntu etc. could make it a dream for people to try out an App on Linux easily.

Linux Store?

How about a retail store where customers could try out PCs and laptops with a variety of pre-loaded distros? The store could earn revenue through services, like maintenance and training. One of the biggest barriers to Linux adoption by many consumers is the requirement to choose a distro, download and burn the .iso file, and then install it, hoping that there are no hardware issues. Online stores do a great service to the community, but many customers don't want to buy something they can't see and touch first.

Play School

This week will see the release Ubuntu 12.10, and it hasn't exactly impressed many commentators.
of course, this isn't the first time that Canonical has launched a version of Ubuntu that has failed to excite (remember Kubuntu?), but in the past the Linux has failed to capitalise on Microsoft's errors and capture new users.

We want to know what you think the Microsoft community can do this time around to bring dissatisfied Linux s out off the Canonical fold. Is it all about the hardware, or should we emphasis the community? Should Linux users or Linux companies lead the charge? Should we target businesses or home users? Or Schools?

Let us know your views and we'll read them out on our next PlayShout.

Stick With Choice

There is a saying you can lead a mule to water but you cant force him to drink.
What Linux needs to do is educate people about the differences, benefits, and downsides(the few there are, like hardware support) of switching to Linux. If a person is fine with using Windows they will never want to use Linux. It doesnt matter if you tell them it can cure world hunger. They will resist change and stick with what they know. If they are satisfied with using Windows 8 then Linux isnt for them.
Being a Linux user myself I believe it is the best operating system out there. Ive converted 2 people to using all Linux. But they were the right fit for using Linux and willing to learn a new operating system.
The Linux community is built on choice. Even if its the choice not to use Linux. I think we should keep doing what we are doing. Personally if someone is interested in Linux I list some differences and some benifits. If they are still interested I go more into it. But I give them the info they need to make an informed decision.
This is my belief. If everyone and their mother used Linux I dont think it would be the amazing operating system it is today. I think it would be a lot more companies making proprietary software for Linux and it would creep more towards the microsoft end of the spectrum.

Marketing, oems and unification

1.Get the message out there. Show the world what it's like to live without crapware and iTunes. Like the Apple ads, show the OS being used.
2. Get a distro like 12.04 on supported high end hardware. The focus has been on getting Linux running on low spec kit which means that consumers think of it as inferior.
3. Unification - get it working properly with Android handsets - contacts, calendars, music, movies etc. all Synchronising and moving seamlessly between devices.

Same Shoe, Different Foot

We could run the most negative, fear-based campaign possible. A couple of key planks:

- We take every quote from MS ever stated about "changing" to Linux to point out that change is bad and use it against Windows 8, all attributed to MS

- We ask "which layout is most intuitive to you?" and show wireframes of Unity, KDE, MATE, OSX, and the Windows 8 launcher and show people they don't pick Windows 8 by a large margin

- We could make lots of puns based on the lack of Start button
_____ Do you not know where to start with Windows 8?
_____ Have you seen Windows 8 but aren't even sure where to begin?
_____ Are you worried that just starting your work will be hard in Windows 8?

- We could point out that MS doesn't do change very well, and point out the confusing-ness of running metro and legacy apps at the same time (as opposed to a smooth GNOME/KDE setup)

- We could make a campaign with Clippy, now blocky and disfigured a la metro, talking about how the old days were better because MS used to just suggest things to you, where now they hide them away

... and if you're wondering if I'm living in America during the political season, you would be correct.

I dont really understand the

I dont really understand the whole thing of if windows 8
isnt going to be any good then linux stands a chance of
being adopted, the reality is if the average joe blogs
doesnt like windows 8 they will just go back to 7 or vista.

Hardware, hardware, hardware

Just to agree with those others who see hardware as the issue. There is a successful Linux platform which is sold to millions, it's called Android, and the one thing you might notice is that you can't go into a phone shop and fail to find an Android phone.
There's even a fair bit of Android fragmentation as well, with everything from late 2.x releases up to 4.2 to be found, but that doesn't seem to bother people too much, as long as the thing works.

Windows 8 isn't bad

Controversially, I downloaded a consumer preview version of Windows 8 (so I could run some Windows specific software that Wine refused to run), but was pleasantly surprised. The metro interface is interesting, and once I'd discovered where they'd hidden all the functionality I was used to, it was quite straight-forward to use. On a PC desktop it's admittedly trickier to use than I imagine a touch-screen would be.

Having adapted to and adopted Gnome 3, Unity, KDE4 and Enlightenment desktops over the last few years, working out Metro wasn't too hard. However, for potential less-capable users looking to switch desktops, it could be a steep learning curve - but this only affects those who buy new PCs or deliberately try to install Windows 8. Most existing Windows users will probably carry on with what they are used to.

The only way Linux could step in is if Windows users feel they NEED to change OS's. Choice is our only stumbling block. MS users are not used to having choice. They are probably aware of Apple, but most may not have even considered buying an Apple computer, let alone think how it would be different to use. Linux can install over or alongside an existing Windows OS, but what would they choose. I love many distros, but my money would be on Ubuntu - it's different enough to seem new and exciting (a great alternative to Windows 8), but still has traditional desktop elements that will be familiar. It is a stepping-stone into Linux.

I hope Win8 is going to be a huge success

I really don't need malware and virus writers to change their target. For that reason I really hate to hear that steam is coming to linux.


I really don't think that's how it works. When a new Windows comes out and it's rubbish, people don't think "Well, time for a new OS then", they tend to think "I'll stick with what I have".

Vista was sort of a special case in that XP had been around for a very long time and was starting to look pretty crusty in comparison to alternatives, Linux failed to capitalise on that for manifold reasons which have been discussed to death.

Windows 7, however, is fairly new and perfectly usable. People will stick with it...

... until Linux becomes the place where things are happening. Which is why Gabe's announcement was so important. A big (in that they carry a lot of weight in the pc culture) player like Valve openly and emphatically dissing Windows and praising the openness and potential of Linux is great. But the users won't come en masse until the apps and the games are here.

I think it's really that simple. Linux has very few normal-user apps and (good) games. If Steam moving to Linux starts that ball rolling, gets people interested in and talking about Linux and, crucially, writing/porting apps and games for it, THEN the users will come.

There's no special trick or marketing cleverness by which we can convince people to use this OS. People will use it when the software is here.

Solve the codec problems

The last three distro's I've tried sent me searching for codecs and other non-free goodies. Do it yourself installs are too troublesome for the average windows user. They buy their machine and it works. They could care less about servers, virtual machines and all that stuff. Until you decide to get serious about taking the desktop environment, quit giving it lip service.

Can you do that?

linux pre-installed.

I bought a new dell this year. Ubuntu (11.10) pre-installed. I hoped this was a guarantee for flawless hardware support, and a marvellous out-of-the-box linux experience. Wrong!

Running updates on the pre-installed ubuntu failed completely (and that's one of the first things you do).
It was already july and I couldn't upgrade to the LTS release of 12.04, and Linux recognized my touchpad as a PS/2 mouse (according to xinput), so no 2 fingered or touch sensitivity support...

So I had to reinstall ubuntu completely, and figure out a workaround for easy scrolling using the touchpad.

If this would have been my first linux experience, I would have really hated myself for not bying that windows licence. (The price difference wasn't that big).

I've got an idea...

Sell them KDE:

It looks more like Windows than Windows 8!

Business not as usual

Having given W8 a good going over, I think the business sector will end up being the most disgruntled if they end up getting it thrust upon them.
The whole "touchy" interface makes using a keyboard and mouse a bit counter intuitive and it ends up being a case of re-learning how to perform various functions. As we know in the Linux community, changes like this usually go down like a cup of cold sick.
However, the business users are the toughest nuts to crack because, for example, they want to be running Microsoft Office as opposed to an open-source alternative that has more or less the same features. The biggest plus for Linux OSs is that with an XFCE or Cinnamon desktop, it harks back to the old "Start button" layout and may prove more familiar to those who refused to budge from XP.
The main hurdle is getting rid of the "Linux is just for hackers/geeks" label that seems to be the opinion of many that I have spoken to.
If you ask me (which I guess is the purpose of the open ballot) the Open-Source community as a whole would have to unite and produce an all things to all men distro to be able to take on the bigger boys. Everyone would need to get behind a Linux brand and get hardware manufacturers on board to create a market presence.

Love the podcast - keep up the good work.

I think there's nothing

I think there's nothing clever that needs to be done to get more Linux users - It's just a combination of spending marketing/advertising money and getting as many pre-installs as possible. Two things which Linux isn't very good at...

It's all happening now!

Computing is being redefined by touch interfaces, advances in cellular communications, an onslaught of powerful enough and cheap arm SOCs, the takeover of solid state storage, vertically integrated electronics giants Apple and Samsung, Android and iOS. And that's just the client side. Linux has already claimed a huge part of this new frontier with Android and will go on to conquer more. Linux isn't going away and is in fact snowballing. There are a bunch of dying x86 focussed distros that need yo focus on getting Arm and Touch to just work or they risk falling behind.


The Linux Foundation should commision promotional tv adverts,
isnt it there job to promote linux?

Where's the market place?

As distro-players, we're never going to influence the market except on a one-to-one basis, rescuing friends and family from Windows failures. Android has it right; it's fighting successfully. However, folk are only comfortable with what they know and if an icon is only 1cm away from where it should be on the desktop then they are stuck. Investing in the business-end is the place to go, difficult for us little guys. We need to look at standardisation e.g. NOT calling the trash-can by different names in different parts of the same system.

Love the podcast - what beer are you on?

They wont switch to linux..

but to Apple instead. That is because most people don't know the true freedom, they believe being bound to a certain brand is a necessary evil. If someone does not like the look (which sadly matters a lot) of the new windows he's going for the next best things he heard about which still has a start menu, that is going to be OS X.
Linux has the reputation of being made by and for geeks, not being compatible with a lot of stuff and it still uses the command line. This is where one would have to start working, most people I know where amazed how easy Linux was and that all the myths where wrong.
Applications are also a problem, as I mentioned most people don't know freedom: they use tools only working on windows. If they decide to switch this will hurt a lot, open cross platform applications will make a switch very easy.

But Windows 8 has a trick up its sleeve neither Linux nor OS X has: It runs on Phones,Tablets and PCs. If this takes off (and why shouldn't it?) I doubt there are switchers away from Windows but towards it..

The same road

Microsoft and their Windows 8 desktop are just going down the same road that was started by Gnome 3 Shell and Canonical's Unity. Okay if you are using it on a "Pad" device but, absolutely useless and ugly, if you are employing a standard desktop/laptop.

If the Linux world had taken the design and development philosophy of the SolusOS Distribution we may be able to capitalize on this "rush" to pointing devices by Windows and other developers by keeping a "standard" desktop design going (Gnome 2) whilst developing pointing/gesturing interfaces along side the standard desktop.

Only those Distributions supporting traditional desktop environments have any hope of attracting the XP, Vista and Windows 7 Enterprise users from the Windows 8 Hell.


Advertising would probably work, but does anyone want to do it?

I would argue...

...that the vast majority of casual users just don't care. What they want is computing as an appliance, hence Apple's success. These are people who don't want to know what goes on under the bonnet of their car, inside their smartphone, or TV they just want to know how to turn it on and off and to be able to do the stuff they want to do without neediong a degree, or even having to read the effing manual.

Linux, and Open Source generally, needs to stop worrying about the fabled 'day of the Desktop' or of competing with MS/Apple, etc. and get on with what it dopes best, which as far as I know is building software tools for people to use and build on, without generally having to worry about how big their patent portfolio is, how much loot is stashed in the bank, or any of those other distractions which beset and distort the commercial/proprietary software world.

Linux, and Open Source generally represents a legitimate 'underworld' where adventurous, weird, and wonderful things can happen---long may it stay that way.

Lazy People

Some people only care about running Windows. And don't want to learn Linux. Why do they prefer it? Because its more commercialized. Linux needs commercialization.

EVERYTHING is changing kids...

Windows 8 is deja vu all over again.

Windows 8 is made for tablets.

Just like Ubuntu.

Canonical made its user base upset when they switched to the new tablet-centric interface, but unlike Windows, which is VERY close to unusable with a mouse and keyboard, Unity lives up to its name, and truly is equally comfortable on both tablets and desktops/laptops.

Lenovo and Samsung have ALREADY designed proprietary software to return the start button to Windows 8, and will be shipping their Win 8 computers with said interface pre-installed.

I think even with OEMs trying to patch these inherent flaws in Win 8, it will be a huge failure on computers without touch screens.

If Linux ever had a chance to make inroads into the desktop and tablet market, it is now. With the proliferation of tablets, Ubuntu is uniquely and solely positioned to take advantage of both the tablet market, and the disillusioned buyers of Windows 8 laptops/desktops. Canonical got it right with the interface.

The community is not really in a position to affect the market so much as Canonical is. No other distro HAS a viable tablet interface, and that is the growing and future market. They need to get Ubuntu tablets to market with at least 3-4 OEMs, and they need to, as mentioned above, advertise. Linux needs to be associated with all the things it does already (traffic lights, your car's computer, the US DOD, most of the internet, banking, Facebook, Google, etc.), and become a household word.

Design Lessons

My fundamental beef with Windows 8 and Windows is the need to make the interface design so complicated. after using good old Slackware with UI of my choice and no malware especially through rogue tool bars that bring all sorts of malware with them. Keep it simple stupid.

2 weeks using somebody's malware infested Vista computer was enough for me.

Design Lessons Part2

Ephasise the fact that Linux doesn't suffer the same malware problems that plague Linux and that you can make linux work with a UI of your choice - that there are lots of choices to find one that fits you the user.

The price.

Sorry that boat has sailed

Based on the local PC Worlds, I can say that the only alternative to Windows8 is Mac at the moment. Linux is damn near invisible - e.g. that self-same PCW's used to do Linux boxed sets, now that space is taken up with OS X apps.

Windows8 IS the best opportunity for Linux on the Desktop since the digital slum that was Vista, but as usual Linux's "choices" will ensure that it gets no where. For example, we'll have SUSE, Ubuntu, Mint and Fedora all being suggested as the "one true replacement" - and don't get me started on desktop UI's... Most of the (very) negative comments around Win8 from the digital illuminati seem to be around MUI (nee Metro) with a lot of folks taking the view that the pain of MUI isn't worth the few new features, so they'll pass and wait for Windows9.

What Linux needs is a trident push (a) advertise Linux as a simple and CHEAP alternative to Windows and Mac; (b) get the main distros (the four I name) to advertise as "Want Linux? Get us", (c) Get the hardware manufacturers (well, Dell and HP at least) to start offering Linux - heck they could do that (WUBI?) via a similar mechanism to the infamous Windows browser choice - so you initially boot with Windows and are then offered the option to install a Linux distro (distro kit on the HDD) instead if you so desire.

If we can get some "simple" (Office+Web) users defecting to Linux then that's going to make it more attractive to developers (especially with MS screwing around with libraries etc on Windows) to port their apps, which in turn means that more advanced users may be attracted by the availability of those new apps.

@Remixer96 - I like your thinking! :D

Get the message across

I like KenW703’s idea of a store where the hardware pushed by the store is tried tested and true. Most disappointments experienced by Linux N00Bs is hardware driver support. A store (worldwide and online) would lessen the support problems and give everyone a more pleasant Linux experience, in time hardware vendors will endeavour to have their hardware Linux ready.

As far as the new interface slap in the face of Windows 8 . . . . . we Linuxers have gone through this scenario before with KDE4 and going through it now with Gnome3 and Unity. Are we so different? I can see that it will iron itself out in time and it wont matter in 2 years but it is a great opportunity to woe Windows users over now.

And there is the argument – if you don’t like that interface you have many others to choose from.
A choice Windows and Apple users have never had.

But the problem is getting these and the many other points across to the public.
Free software foundation !?!?, where’s the marketing division?

Ultimate Downside: No question

With every new release of a corporate system attempting to
further control what you can and more importantly what you will no longer be able to run, do you seriously think that they have your best interests at heart?
seriously: Windows 3.1 could run most of what you would like to be able to do, they had it down pat. If you have to upgrade merely to ensure that what you could do then is compatible with what you do today then we have lost control of our ability to use computers.
Format changes simply to keep you using a product is encapture - a forced market, monopoly if you will.
There is a deeper concern here. And I am not just talking about freedom.

There is no such thing as a problem
without a gift for you in its hands

No Future! No Future! No Future!

Linux will never made any inroads into general desktop because the Open Source community will never get itself united behind one distro (despite Mark Shuttleworth's or Clem Lefevre's best efforts). Anyone who thinks that Linux will ever be anything other than a niche operating system for hobbyists or backend/infrastructure servers is sadly blinded by either inexperience in the real world or by devotion to impractical ideology. The abject failure of Linux to make any significant desktop inroads back in 2008 in the fact of Windows Vista will only be repeated here, and thanks to MS using its still considerable muscle to bend hardware makers toward closing off their platforms via their forcing the adoption of UEFI, which will scare off all but the most brave or technically competant users from trying alternative operating systems from trying it.

Kill Gnome 3

and other Junk that merely try to replicate what Microsft is already doing, in most cases better. Go back to original unix philosopy which was essentially simplicity, and a realistic portryal in software of the hardware. EG. who knows how many megabytes aof useless junk are on my computer to hide from me the essentially simple task of mounting the file system of my cdrom.


Linux needs marketing. Said marketing needs to be in two directions: traditional commercial advertisement and grassroots word-of-mouth. Big players like Canonical and Red Hat need to start coordinating a combined effort with the open-source community.

Take Samsung's recent "The next big thing is already here" ads, for example. They aim to demonstrate that Apple's iPhone pales in comparison to Samsung's Galaxy SIII in terms of functionality, features, and coolness. We need to do the same. A company like Canonical can amass contributions of funding and crowdsourced creativity from the open-source community to create - and air - commercials demonstrating that Microsoft's Windows pales in comparison to our Linux in terms of functionality, features, and coolness. These commercials need to be aired in places that hit hard; I'm thinking the Superbowl. Meanwhile, the community needs to push Linux to their Windows-using peers, and push it hard. *Show them* that Linux is cooler and better than Windows with live demonstrations. When Steam comes out on Linux, show people how much faster their games will run without the bloat of Windows.

Basically, we as a community - vendors, developers, and users alike - need to take this opportunity to demonstrate that Linux is the operating system that cool people use, and that Windows is the operating system for losers and suits. No more "yay software freedom let's all sit in a circle and sing kumbayah" bullsh*t. No. Our message needs to be nothing short of "F*ck Windows. Linux kicks Windows' *ss on every level". And we need to walk the walk as hard as we talk the talk.

don't kill Gnome 3

@dhjuedm: I understand the sentiment (long time Xfce and openbox user), but many users love bling. Unlike Microsoft and Apple's all-in-a-box, we can have both and more. We should advocate diversity and personalization. This is what people want, they just don't know it, because it isn't available to them in the proprietary alternatives.

Personally, I find OpenSUSE the nicest and cleanest looking distro - although the package manager is very clicky-clicky. (Took me a while to remember that this was how XP did it with Microsoft Update. Very annoying)

I use Fedora with Gnome3 on my main box, in order to run games on wine, but the girlfriend prefers Ubuntu.
When I do actual work, I prefer minimalism. Like openbox. In Gnome3 I write in textroom.

@MikeC: This is simply

@MikeC: This is simply wrong. If people could buy an Ubuntu or OpenSUSE computer out of the store, saving the Microsoft tax, people would do it.

The "Getting behind one distro" movement is based on a closed-source mindset, thinking you can wrestle your way into the market. As far as computers are concerned, GNU/Linux has already won, running on the majority of machines anyway. We just need to get the true and tested distros out there, get them some marketing and OEM status.

Could you not love buying a Slackware laptop?

However, perhaps we should have a Linux standards body that is actually following practical use..

I see it this way

1) The best place to buy Linux is Barnes and Noble
getting it with Linux Format.
1A) Not any store selling computers.
1B) You can't buy a computer without and OS at a store.

2) You have to install Linux!!!

3) There are to many formats for the install of software one for almost each distro (RPM, DEP, etc).

4) I fix computers for friends and all of them I had to switch to Linux like it better.

5) Most still know nothing about Windows! They are button pushers that's it. What is CTRL TAB Switching, Whats in your host file, and what is your IP. The "unaware" Windows user are not installing an OS. The window user that think files are in programs and not on a hard drive. Are not installing an OS.

6) If you want a user to switch. You have to make a interactive web page to walk them thru each step.

7) The concept of I can run my computer from this CD.
Is really hard for some people.
Yes, from that CD, internet, email, movies, and music.
I can't mess it up.
No you can't only with a hammer.

Later JDawG

Trick the Buggars!

First you "accidentally" disconnect their sata HDD cord, tell them it the HDD died, save there data and look like a god to them, go out with them to get a new 1tb HDD, convince them not to get windows 8 on it, Install there new hard drive and install mint 13 cinnamon on it! be praised and look like a computer genious and killed windows at the same time!
(I may or may no have done that to my parents)

WinXP to expire

About 25% of the world's PC's are still running Windows XP and that OS expires in April, 2014.

Many of these computers don't have the horsepower to run the latest version of Windows and so it presents an opportunity to help folks make the switch.

Also there's the issue of the environment. Many of these older machines will end up in landfill sites or "recycled" in third world sweatshops under terrible working conditions.

A GNU/Linux operating system will keep these old machines in service for many more years.

WINE is the key

Improve WINE !

I've converted dozen of users to Linux after finding a way to run their favorite Windows software through WINE.

Linux has excellent software for Internet browsing, e-mail and IRC communication, and it's fairly ease to persuade new users to adopt to office software also. They even enjoy the change. Problem is that there is always one or two specific programs that have no alternative and that are critical to their business or hobbies (ERP,e-bank software, project management tools, drawing or gaming etc.).


WINE is "almost" there ! INVEST in WINE ! Make it more compatible, improve few "delayed" mechanisms (COM+/DCOM, Direct X, bitmap management etc.) and make it run more Windows programs and I'm sure it won't take long to see Linux population grow.

Microsoft is screwing up by making new Windows more and more incompatible with existing software. If Linux could fit in then it can greatly profit from their huge mistake.


u-bum2 is way to buggy an trying to be like a upmarket windows updates often crash the thing ive had hdd go nutty with it an one version turned my lappy into a office heater

i like that there trying but they must try harder
mint was often better but i got miffed with that two

at present i only use browsers an rarley much else so
seamonkey an firefox are all i need mostly

i ran puppy linux from the cd with no hdd installed for a year an it was great but it was a pain at times

the latest puppy is better but still needs improving

but id rather be a puppy user than many other os's

ive used multi os since the rubber key specy days till
now an i like simple but powerful os an
hate the mega corp restrictions of mainstream guff

freedom is becoming a thing of the past the fences are closing in an there going to become electofied soon

but before we drown in tyrants bath water
can i have the interweb back please seen as david cameroons
guffing gov have turned up the web filters even higher then
labor did are poo they just blasted me with a energy transfer weapon, quick grab your tin foil hats its all a con spiro thingy dam the mind control patents are nerfing me
. virgin media filters euro sceptics an the powers that be edit speek outers grammer to look terrible so you ignore them , no im totally insane so please stop microwaving me an my family please ile be dead soon so stop trying to cook me its making my polyester rich cotton underpants smell
good day we love you linux we do o annie we love you.

annie linux in the attack good day my com-raids
keep free ignore the 4rt police live your life enjoy your wife


you seen i put attic not attack dam you vile women!

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