Linux vs Windows 7

Linux

It's something of a tradition that we pit the latest version of Windows against our trusty old operating system. This isn't because we want to raise the profile of Windows, or ignite further flamewars on which is better or worse. It's about understanding the market and understanding the competition. Microsoft Windows is by far the most dominant operating system on the planet, and as Linux users, we need to keep on top of new developments, new technologies and new ideas. This gives Linux the best possible chance to grow and remain relevant.

So, if you read our benchmarks comparing Windows 7, Vista and Ubuntu and are looking to find out more on what separates Windows 7 and Linux on the features front, read on...

Linux vs Windows 7

Both operating systems now occupy a distinctly different part of the market. Microsoft has taken Windows down a purely proprietary route, forging relationships with content providers and hardware vendors that keep full control from the user. Linux is completely open. Out of the box, Linux even boasts better media format support than Windows, and it can be the only way to run older hardware at its fullest potential, especially if there isn't a new driver for Windows 7.

Forewarned is forarmed

Over the life span of Windows 7, public concern for privacy, digital rights management and locked-in upgrades should help Linux to grow as an alternative when users want to keep complete control over their own hardware and software. Microsoft is now operating in a considerably different, and more technologically aware, environment than nine years ago when Windows XP was released.

The European Commission has spent a lot of time, effort and money hounding Microsoft for its alleged anti-competitive behaviour and this is going to have an impact on Windows 7 in Europe, as well as the user's awareness of the issues surrounding choice and bundling. Many average Windows users, for instance, were unaware that Internet Explorer was only one option for browsing the world wide web. Thanks to the European Commission, When Windows 7 is released in Europe it won't feature any browser at all, and for the first time, Windows users will have to make a choice about what they want to install. And making choices can get addictive.

Round 1: Performance

Much has been said about the various performance improvements in Microsoft's next operating system. After the apparent gluttony of Vista hardware requirements, Microsoft has tried to make sure that as many people as possible could attend the upgrade party. Many benchmarks have put Windows 7 performance ahead of both XP and Vista, and we saw some improvements over Vista when we initially benchmarked the open beta earlier in the year.

But when we compared the 64-bit version of Windows 7 against its equivalent Ubuntu release, Linux was faster on most of the tests we ran, including boot time, shutdown time and most of the filesystem tests. The only test where Windows 7 was significantly faster than everything else was the Richards benchmark of overall system performance.

Amount of time taken to execute the Python Richards benchmark. Measured in milliseconds; less is better.

Four months later we performed some of the same tests again, this time pitting the most recent 64-bit Linux distribution (Fedora 11) against the Windows 7 release candidate (build 7100). The most dramatic results for Linux were seen on boot speed, which for the final release of Ubuntu Jaunty measured around 35 seconds, with Fedora 11 close on its heels taking 39 seconds from power-on to desktop. Windows 7, by comparison, took almost twice as long, leaving us waiting 69 seconds from power to desktop.

We also found that a default installation of Fedora 11 running the Gnome desktop uses significantly less memory than Windows 7, at only 233MB. Windows uses 458MB, which is nearly twice as much memory.

Compatibility

But benchmarks and system monitoring is only a small part of the story. Every fresh Windows install feels fast and responsive, and it's only after several months' constant use that any weaknesses will begin to show. In the several weeks we've been using Windows 7 alongside our Linux boxes, we found it to be much more stable than XP, and snappier than Vista. We did have one problem with a corrupted filesystem while crash testing the machine with a reset, but as this is pre-release software it wouldn't be fair to criticise Windows 7 until the final version is available.

There's little doubt that Windows 7 is a solid improvement over its predecessor, and we would guess that most Windows users who were previously reluctant to upgrade XP will be happy with Windows 7 running on a new machine. Windows' greatest asset is the variety of software available, and Microsoft is going to offer an XP compatibility mode as an add-on to Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate.

This solution bundles Microsoft's Virtual PC virtualisation software along with a copy and a licence to run XP. It's not native, so it's unlikely to run your favourite games, but it will enable you to run essential XP-only software in a window on your desktop. This stands in stark contrast to the cavalier attitude to backward compatibility that Microsoft took with Vista, and it's a step that's likely to make Windows 7 an essential upgrade for many XP users.

The same isn't quite so true of hardware, which still suffers from Vista's over-zealous attitude towards hardware signing and backwards compatibility. Even if your hardware is capable of running Windows 7 it's unlikely you'll be able to exploit its capabilities unless the officially signed drivers are available for your device. With no DirectX 10 drivers for your graphics card, for example, you won't be able to enable the Aero Glass effects on the desktop, which is one of Windows 7's best features.

Worst of all, you're locked into the resolution data provided by your screen. Our test system uses two 191D cheap screens from Hanns-G. They're perfectly capable devices that work well with Linux, but we wasted days trying every trick we could think of to get them working with Windows 7, and in the end we gave up. If you found Vista's hardware installation frustrating, you're likely to have the same problems with Windows 7.

Performance

Windows 7

  • Better at synthetic benchmarks.
  • Faster transfer of large files.
  • Final version likely to improve.
  • Suspend/resume works!

Linux

  • Faster booting.
  • Less memory usage.
  • Smaller install size.
  • Broader hardware compatibility.

Round 2: Desktop warfare

Despite the hyperbole surrounding performance tuning and increased efficiency, the battleground for success is going to be the desktop. This is where we spend the most time, and it's where small changes can make a massive difference in productivity.

Windows 7 promises big improvements, but at first glance you could be forgiven for thinking that very little has changed since the release of Windows XP, which never seems too far beneath the surface. The old device manager, for instance, is identical to the now discontinued version and there are many aspects of the desktop that feel the same. But to give the new desktop a fair crack of the whip, we'll take Microsoft's own list of what's good, and compare that with what Linux has to offer.

New features, according to Microsoft

Top of the list of usability improvements is the new task bar and full-screen previews. It's now easier to add your own applications to the task bar, using a process called 'pinning', and while this has always been possible through the use of the Quick Launch tool, Microsoft is making a big deal out its new easiness, as well as another major addition - larger icons. No, really. Another much-touted usability improvement is the window thumbnail that appears when you hover your mouse cursor over a minimised application.

Each one of these features has been part of the modern Linux desktop for some time. And while features such as the thumbnail preview of an application were initially a cutting-edge part of Compiz, we now take their inclusion on a modern desktop for granted. In KDE 4.2, for example, you get exactly the same task bar functionality, and if you use a cutting-edge distribution such as Fedora 11, you'll get all the latest enhancements.

With the panel in edit mode, right-click on any menu option and you can choose to either add an icon to the desktop or to the desktop panel, and once there you can drag it into a location that most suits you. Adding full-screen preview to your Linux box is also is easy. Either use Compiz on Gnome or enable the desktop effects in KDE to get exactly the same feature, and either panel is far more configurable than the Windows equivalent. The KDE one in particular can be resized, repositioned, re-aligned, set vertical or horizontal and augmented with any number of plasmoid additions.

Both KDE and Gnome users have been able to 'pin' applications and media to the task bar for years.

Both KDE and Gnome users have been able to 'pin' applications and media to the task bar for years.

Jump Lists

Let's see if Windows 7 can catch up in its next new feature - Jump Lists. These are a way to expose certain parts of an application to a menu revealed when you right-click on its launch icon. The most common example is right-clicking on an application to bring up a list of recent files, any of which can be loaded by simply selecting them. There's even an extension for Firefox.

This trick requires some communication between the applications themselves and the window manager, and the non-standard nature of the Linux desktop makes it a difficult feature to emulate. We can't honestly say Jump Lists are a paradigm shift in desktop use, but they're a nice addition, and it can't be long until either the Gnome or KDE developers come up with something similar.

Sticking with desktop usability, Microsoft is keen to show off the new window comparison feature, something it calls 'Snaps'. This is a semi-intelligent window snapping routine that can divide the screen into two and maximises two application windows into each half. Drag a window into one of these snap points, either the top border to maximise the window, or the left and right borders for a 50% view, and the window resizes.

While the average Linux desktop doesn't have this exact feature, both Gnome and KDE offer more comprehensive snapping options. From KDE's Window Behaviour panel, for instance, you can set separate snap borders for the edge of the screen, the edge of a window or even the centre of the display. And there are many more options for fine-tuning your window management and geometry, even down to selecting the types of window the options apply to.

Window snapping? We think KDE got there first.

Window snapping? We think KDE got there first.

Search tools

Another feature that Linux desktops have been threatening for a couple of years, but have as-yet failed to deliver, is pervasive searching. Despite being a killer feature on the OS X desktop and the iPhone, and despite several highly efficient implementations, a simple search that can read documents, your email, and online communication with a degree of intelligence is still some way off.

Windows embeds its search icon search in the bottom-left corner, just above the launch menu icon. It feels very similar to KDE's launch menu, and will quickly find the content you're interested in. Microsoft's version expects the user to define libraries of content, and these are locations on your computer where you're happy to have the search engine provide pervasive results, or not.

Windows 7 also promises to move file search away from local storage and on to the internet. Searching for a photo, for instance, might take you from your local photo collection and on to those you're interested in online, such as an associated Flickr account or Picasa. The capabilities of this online search are dependent on an appropriate extension for the media and the online resource that you're interested in, but it clearly has a lot of potential.

The average Linux desktop needs to get its act together if it's going to to compete with Windows 7 for search functionality. And whether you use it or not, it's a great feature for newcomers. New releases of distributions like Fedora still package search tools like Beagle, but that's a long way from being a single solution for the Linux desktop, and this is what we're going to need. Developers are aware of these problems, but the KDE 4 team, for example, have put off discussions on integrating search until the 4.4 release, which is likely to come long after Windows 7.

How Linux will look when Windows 7 is released

At the time of writing, we've still got a short while to go until Windows 7 is released. This means there are several major Linux releases between now and then that could add some significant updates to the Linux desktop. Most recently released is KDE 4.3, and it seems the KDE team are finally getting on top of things. Rather than being a release purely full of bug- and usability fixes, 4.3 added some cool new features and some nice eye candy.

The whole KDE desktop and associated applications will now have general access to geolocation data, which could be useful for laptop users. The task bar panel should be able to distance itself even further from Windows 7 with the addition of spacers. These will let you group a collection of icons together, rather than as a single glut, and the system tray should also get better management functions. There are plenty more Plasmoid desktop widgets too.

More Plasmoids are being added to KDE with every release, bringing fast feature turnaround for all.

More Plasmoids are being added to KDE with every release, bringing fast feature turnaround for all.

Most importantly, considering the emphasis in Windows 7 on merging local and remote data, the new KDE release resurrects the Nepomuk desktop idea - the so-called 'social desktop'. This means creating a connection between local and remote data, and making the desktop a seamless integration of the two. A lot of work has been done on the Akonadi PIM framework, for example - Nepomuk can analyse and annotate the body of an email automatically.

This means adding information like your location, people you're with and maybe events you're attending - the kind of information currently found on sites like Facebook and Twitter. There's also a new menu system, called Raptor, that attempts to guess what options you're most likely to want based on what you're currently doing. It's a cross between KLauncher and Gnome Do, and is a massive improvement on the current 'Lancelot' system.

Desktop innovation

Windows 7

  • Desktop search is well implemented and can go online.
  • Media libraries can be pinned to the start menu and task bar.
  • Jump lists can genuinely help improve efficiency.

Linux

  • Nepomuk blurs the border between local and online.
  • Gnome Do replaces the task bar entirely.
  • Google's Desktop widgets now on Gnome and KDE.

Round 3: Essential apps

The best example of a core application associated with an operating system is the web browser. But thanks to the legal wrangling that has surrounded Microsoft's browser bundling, Internet Explorer 8 isn't going to be as fatally intertwined in the operating system as its forebears were. The European release isn't even going to include a browser by default, which leaves users with the bizarre difficulty of not having a browser available to download an alternative.

This may also be why Microsoft chooses not to create more powerful applications for these core tasks, perhaps not wanting to risk the wrath of competing vendors or the European Monopolies Commission. And while these restrictions may seem harsh in today's online environment, it's a great opportunity for Linux to push integrated desktop applications as a serious bonus.

In Windows 7, these essential tools need to be downloaded separately under the Windows Live branding. Eight applications are selectable, and these include the latest generation of Microsoft's Messenger, Outlook Express, Word Pad, a content filter and Silverlight - Microsoft's competitor to Adobe's Flash. In Linux terms you might liken them to Pidgin or Kopete, Evolution, Kate and Gedit, DansGuardian and Moonlight. But the difference with the Microsoft offerings is that they feel very much cut-down, as the company would rather have you pay more for the fully functional versions.

Instant messaging

Despite Windows ports of Pidgin, Windows Messenger is still the instant messaging client of choice for most people on the Windows desktop. This is probably because it offers Windows users a seamless way of communicating with other Windows users, and as long as your contacts are using the same client, video and voice chat is usually just a click or two away.

Over the years, there has been steady progress, but nothing revolutionary, and the same is true of the version currently shipping with the Windows 7 release candidate. It's the same version that was shipped as Windows Live Messenger 2009 at the beginning of the year, and the first thing the average Linux user will notice is the embedded advertising. You can't open the main window or a chat window without a small banner or text fighting for your attention.

If you're chatting to other Windows Live users you do get the advantage of seamless voice and video chat, but that's the only advantage that Microsoft's Messenger has over multi-protocol clients like Pidgin and Kopete. Kopete in particular is a brilliant application that can send messages to almost anyone and anything willing to accept them. AIM, Jabber, Google Talk, Windows Live and even Facebook are all catered for through a series of plugins.

The best thing about instant messaging with Kopete is that (unlike with Windows) there's no advertising.

The best thing about instant messaging with Kopete is that (unlike with Windows) there's no advertising.

Photo management

Whether you choose Digikam or F-Spot, there's no doubt that Linux desktop users are well catered for when it comes to photo management. Both apps can both talk to the vast majority of digital cameras, enable you to organise your collection using tags, comments and geographical data, and then upload sections of your library to a variety of online photo repositories.

Microsoft's offering, by comparison, is far more modest, and a little creepy, as you have to sign into your Windows Live account when you first launch the application. This is because your library is closely tied to your online presence. They can be published on to Windows Live with a single click, and Flickr, Facebook and SmugMug are supported through third-party plugins. Google's Picasa photo hosting is a conspicuous absentee, but that's perhaps because it's associated photo management tool is a better application.

But Windows Live Photo Gallery is very fast, and it's an efficient way of getting photos from your camera on to an online repository with the least number of mouse clicks and CPU cycles. Like iPhoto, Digikam and F-Spot, it offers only bread and butter editing tools such as colour, contrast, crop and redeye reduction, but there are some weird usability errors. You can't drag tags on to photos, for instance, and photos that are part of your Pictures library aren't imported into the application unless they happen to be located under the My Pictures directory, which is confusing.

Online

Another aspect of Microsoft's new operating system that isn't quite so obvious is the default installation of Silverlight. Silverlight is web browser plugin, and it's Microsoft's attempt to unseat the dominance of Adobe's Flash, and it performs much the same function. It helps web developers create accelerated and interactive online applications for their users that plain old HTML just isn't capable of, such as YouTube or BBC iPlayer, and represents the pinnacle of Microsoft's .NET framework, using it to both develop Silverlight and as a method for creators to add program logic within its online applications. Windows 7 is going to be the first Windows operating system to install it by default, with version 3 currently going through a period of beta testing before its planned release in July.

The interesting thing about Silverlight is that there's a Linux version being developed by the same team porting .NET to Linux, and it's called Moonlight. Moonlight offers only a subset of the functionality currently in Silverlight, but it represents an incredible effort by the programmers. Since January 2009, it's been fully compatible with Silverlight version 1.0, and a beta version released at the beginning of May implements some features from 2.0, as well as a few from the planned 3.0 release.

There's no doubt that Moonlight is a considerable way behind the Microsoft implementation, but there's a bigger problem. For some users, Moonlight represents a big chunk of Microsoft's intellectual property sitting at the heart of the Linux desktop. This is why the inclusion of Mono on distributions like Fedora and now Debian has proved such a contentious issue, and if Silverlight becomes as dominant on the Windows platform as Microsoft hopes, it's going to become increasingly difficult to ignore either its potential on the internet, or its potential as a patent time-bomb.

Touch me

One of the most touted features in Microsoft's new operating system is its new-found ability to be controlled using a touchscreen interface. Microsoft has been experimenting with touch technology for years and its implementation has been overhauled for Windows 7, adding better hardware support and the ability to detect more than one finger press. Touch also seems to be the primary motivation behind the overhaul of the toolbar.

In its old incarnation, icons could be too small and their placement too unpredictable for fingers. In Windows 7, buttons have been resized, and custom spacing options should make it easier to hit the right target. This is also the first time multi-touch has been included, which must have been quite a task for an operating system than usually has difficulty if you connect more than one mouse, let alone 10 fingers. But Microsoft has also put hardware behind the rhetoric, demoing a hefty piece of multi-touch hardware called 'Surface'.

Until recently, multi-touch ability hasn't been a priority on the Linux desktop, despite various announcements on the subject in 2007. The ability to keep track of more than one controller on a standard desktop has been implemented by a project called Multi-Pointer X (MPX), and this is due to be rolled into the main X.org server code for the 7.5 release, due in August 2009.

But there is one important difference between MPX and Microsoft's Surface, and that's that multi-touch provides only a co-ordinate reference for each point. It can't interpret the shape and the size of the touch, which could be a problem if Microsoft pushes its advantage in this area. The most promising signs of progress comes from the netbook sector, where touch capabilities look like becoming the next big thing.

Windows 7 makes it easy to resize all the GUI elements to accomodate touch devices.

Windows 7 makes it easy to resize all the GUI elements to accomodate touch devices.

Version comparison

Windows 7

  • Starter: No Aero and no 64-bit.
  • Home Basic: Developed for emerging markets.
  • Home Premium: Standard edition including Aero and touch.
  • Professional: Adds remote desktop and encrypted filesystem.
  • Enterprise: Unix application support and volume licensing.
  • Ultimate: As with enterprise, but for individual users.

Linux

  • Starter: No Linux is this restrictive.
  • Home Basic: Crunchbang or Ubuntu.
  • Home Premium: For eye candy, try Mint or Kubuntu.
  • Professional: Fedora offers encryption as an installation option.
  • Enterprise: OpenSUSE should work well with Windows.
  • Ultimate: No matter which Linux you choose, there's no restrictions.

Round 4: Power users

One of the biggest criticisms levelled at Windows over the years has been its lack of proper user access control. Despite the last few versions featuring user accounts with different levels of authority and control, nearly everyone simply created an administrator's account and neatly side-stepped any attempt to rein in what the average user could and couldn't do. Windows 7 attempts to do things differently, upgrading Vista's User Access Control to finally achieve what Microsoft must hope is a major feature in an age where thousands of Windows machines run as zombies on the internet.

The idea behind UAC will be familiar to users of Ubuntu and OS X. When a user's application requires a higher set of privileges, a password requester asks for authentication. In Windows Vista, this password requester could be a little overzealous, appearing every other minute if you weren't careful, especially if you were configuring hardware. This annoyance was even seen as an advantage by some, as it forced software developers to avoid asking the user to elevate their privileges though UAC if they wanted to remain usable.

By default, a standard user will have no administrative control over their system, and neither will any viruses or trojans may have been inadvertently run by that user. Of course, this is nothing new for Linux users, as this feature is embedded within Linux thanks to its use of groups and permissions to restrict users and processes. It's our main defence against wayward applications wreaking havoc on our systems.

Even if a user's account is compromised and a virus is able to run on that user's desktop, a utility with limited privileges can do very little system-wide and network facing damage, although your personal data isn't likely to be so safe. This is part of the reason why there are so few Linux viruses, and why so few of us consider it any kind of threat.

User Access Control can limit what a user sees on the internet as well as the configuration options they have access to.

User Access Control can limit what a user sees on the internet as well as the configuration options they have access to.

PolicyKit

But the truth is that there's plenty of potential on the average desktop for any malevolent coder with enough motivation. How many of us install third-party binary packages on our desktops? And how many of us could check the source code if we had to? Even riskier is the number of times we resort to typing sudo or launching a shell with administrator privileges, effectively bypassing the security inherent in the normal/root user system.

Many distributions and developers think there needs to be an extra level of security, and the closest we can get to the technology behind Microsoft's UAC is PolicyKit, originally developed by Red Hat but now shipped as standard in Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu. PolicyKit gives application developers (and distribution builders) a finer degree of control over what an application can and can't do while it's running. It could enable a user to mount portable storage, for instance, but not allow the same user to mount a local filesystem, avoiding the potential hazard of sudo completely.

The impending KDE 4.3 includes PolicyKit integration, which means that many system administration applications for the KDE desktop will be able to take advantage of PolicyKit's finer-grained privilege control in much the same way that certain applications request authentication on the OS X desktop. Gnome has had this functionality since the beginning of last year, and its inclusion in KDE brings us a step closer to a unified desktop on the Linux platform and a unified system for accessing administrative tasks.

Online security

Despite all these improvements to User Access Control, Windows is still going to be the main target for hackers, and as such, a virus checker is always going to be necessary. For the first time, Microsoft is going to bundle a virus checker and spyware detector with the operating system. This is likely to raise considerable protest from manufacturers who sell competing products, such as Symantec and McAfee, as they're making a tidy living from plugging this lucrative hole in current Windows security.

But bundling a free virus checker with the operating system is a great step forward for the rest of us who have to endure a constant stream of attacks from compromised Windows systems. Microsoft's checker is going to be part of the 'Security Essentials' download package, and it replaces Windows Live OneCare, a similar package that Microsoft previously charged for on XP and Vista.

Microsoft's Security Essentials covers only the basics of online security: real-time virus checking, system monitoring and download scanning. This should leave plenty of room for the commercial solutions to fight over more advanced features and neurotic Windows users. As Linux users, we don't need to run a virus-checker unless you're receiving files from, and sending them to, Windows users. It avoids the extra CPU and memory load of constantly running a checker and keeping it up to date. But there are several checkers that are up to the task if you need them, including tools from BitDefender and AVG, as well as the excellent ClamAV.

The Windows System Monitor app has been redesigned to show more information and show it more clearly - it's actually very nice to use.

The Windows System Monitor app has been redesigned to show more information and show it more clearly - it's actually very nice to use.

PowerShell vs Bash

Windows 7

  • Integrated scripting.
  • You can type ls to get a directory listing!
  • Syntax highlighting.
  • Remote execution.

Linux

  • 30 years of refinement.
  • Used by almost every Linux distribution ever.
  • Plenty of online help and documentation.
  • Can be used to administer the entire system.

Who wins?

As you should be able to tell from the scope of the features we've discussed, Windows 7 marks a significant point of maturity in the development of Windows, and is what the much-maligned Vista should have been three years ago. There's still a distinct lack of innovation, but the improvements to system stability and performance are what's going to matter to most users. And most users of Windows are businesses. They're not interested in eye candy, Twitter integration and hardware acceleration. They just need Windows to be a sober working environment that doesn't get in the way of helping people work.

And this is where Linux can make a big difference. There's nothing in Windows 7 that Linux can't do, and in most cases, do it better. Our machines are quicker and more efficient. Our desktops are more innovative and less static. Our apps are more powerful, cheaper and less partisan, and Linux security has never been better. But best of all, we have complete control over the future of Linux, and it's success or failure at the hands of Windows 7 is in our hands.

First published in Linux Format

First published in Linux Format magazine

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Your comments

can linux run skype? i'm new

can linux run skype? i'm new here and this may be a naive question but i need an answer before i can switch to linux.

Windows just sucks more

Windows users - Keep paying your hard earned CASH to MS - Linux users dont care what you do as we don't need people like you. Keep paying your money to the man....

Oh - Which windows users here keep saying linux dosent play games ? - If you want to play games get a PS3 or a GAME console... Im sticking with Linux and see where windows & MS will be in a few years

Linux sucks more

Addmited guys, Windows 7 wins this round.
it beats the hell out of linux.

I just hope that one day all linux developers from all different distros gather together and build one OS that really beats M$ forever.

Windows won, as per usual....

This article is biased...yes.It takes favorable points from different distros/environments/* and compares it to Windows 7 which isn't fair.Windows, in my opinion is better for gaming,productivity(office) and is just easy to work with.

But the complexity of the linux environ is basically because of the need to satisfy varying needs (when the needs are diverse you need to provide options).Now there are just too many options that require some skill and time to choose.With time this will be rectified(#look at what KDE did with 4.4).

Spending a week to learn something new is way easier for a student like me than spending $100 for a OS + Extra for security (the default MS suite is just crap don't go for it).With the current economic climate i think more people will feel the same.

As for compatibility issues with applications,that kinda decentralization can only be occur if more people start to use OSes other than Windows!.

As for me i use Linux Mint and dual boot it with XP (only because MS gave it for free in MSDNAA-which they do for the dual purpose of collecting feedback from user base and to prevent what i mentioned in the previous paragraph).

Win 7 murders Linux

Fold up your tents pack your bags, windows has killed Linux forever.

Anyone who believes the ending comments of this sudo :) review is kidding themselves. Linux is DEAD DEAD DEAD. Too late Windows 7 owns the market.

Quick Question...........

What the **** is with the Windows fanboys on the site?

linux vs windows

the argument goes like this=

Linux-better startup and more control over your pc

windows-better benchmarks and working suspend-resume(unlike
Linux.

Linux-Who needs benchmarks? use gkrellm!

RE;Win 7 murders Linux

"Fold up your tents pack your bags, windows has killed Linux forever.

Anyone who believes the ending comments of this sudo :) review is kidding themselves. Linux is DEAD DEAD DEAD. Too late Windows 7 owns the market."

Why do people say rubbish like this?
Windows Seven might own the market,
but Linux is more usable.
if Linux does not have something-
make it yourself!

p.s
I apologize for saying:
"the argument goes like this=

Linux-better startup and more control over your pc

windows-better benchmarks..."

sorry about that.

re; linux sucks more

"Addmited guys, Windows 7 wins this round.
it beats the hell out of linux.

I just hope that one day all linux developers from all different distros gather together and build one OS that really beats M$ forever."

hmm...

windows-

free software= N-O spells NO
usability=Sort of...
alternate possibilities= Nope.
visual nice looks=Yes.

Linux-

free software= YEP!
usability=depends on your configurations
alternate possibilities= Certainly!
visual nice looks=if you want them.

Even with an extra gb of ram

Even with an extra gb of ram added after a reboot and install of 7, I found my machine faring worse than when I had XP installed. Simple tasks like file browsing and copying with other, small programs running in the background like Chrome would leave my machine gasping for air as it tried to catch up with my commands. Windows 7 definitely has polish and it is user friendly to those who don't edit files as often, but when it comes to large processing, I found Linux to be significantly faster, but it lacked that user-in-mind polish of 7. That was my only quirk with 7, it couldn't handle file copying, which makes no sense.

Both OSs are powerful and have their pros and cons. I suppose it all depends on what type of computer user you are. If in doubt, always stick with the sturdy XP.

From a novice...

If the article wasn't interesting, the comments have certainly been entertaining and enlightening even...

I am pretty new to Linux after getting so pissed off with Windows a little over a year ago I took the plunge and completely wiped windows and installed Ubuntu having explored options for a "windows" feel. Yup - we've been so dominated by Windows for so long... but seriously what I have found in the Linux community is amazing. Firstly the install was so fast I couldn't believe it. All the programs ran so well. The only thing I had to get was a new wireless dongle since Netgear was a bitch and no linux driver. But hey - I had already done the research and figured quicker and cheaper to get a new one, so my new dlink worked like a charm. No driver install or anything.

With a little research - and seriously this wasn't that much I quickly set up my own system on an older pc at that with so many functions, desktop feel with the Cairo dock etc and the speed still blows my mind compared to what I experienced with Windows XP and Vista.

And you know what? I haven't looked back. I have a laptop that still has Vista only because of a couple of programs that "I" haven't taken the time to work out to get working on Linux...but that's it, and I only use it for those couple of programs which the company is lagging in offering Linux support.

I'm so happy with Linux I am now looking at exploring other distributions so I can check them all out, and "have a play" and learn more. I have rarely had to use code for anything at this stage - everything you upload just seems to work and the amount of software is mind boggling it's like being a kid in a candy store really. I love the fact that I CAN CHOOSE how and what I want to have...

If I can use Linux, then anyone can... and you know what... when friends have seen what I can do on my machine who have Windows 7 - they are looking at having dual boot systems now and asking me of all people, if I would do it for them!

So for me the Linux experience has been excellent. Really people, the community is so wonderful that it doesn't take much to ask if you want to learn how to do something. And a little reading and searching and you'll have your answers in no time and with minimal effort. I think Windows is for the lazy people who can't get off their butts to try something new.

Ohh... and I've used a lot of Office programs in my day and I'm sorry but OpenOffice is way better than Office 7 - what an abortion that program is! So it's pretty? Functionally OO is logical,quick has built in PDF etc. Oh and isn't windows 7 the one catching on some functionality that linux and Mac have been able to do for a long time?

Okay - enough of my two cents worth from a novice.

why not compare "minimalists" with windows?

seriously, can anyone make a comparison of minimal distros like gentoo and arch linux with windows! they can crush it anytime. please stop making comparisons of windows and ubuntu (and all the popular/noob distros) because there isn't arent a lot of advantages.

why not compare "minimalists" with windows?

seriously, can anyone make a comparison of minimal distros like gentoo and arch linux with windows! they can crush it anytime. please stop making comparisons of windows and ubuntu (and all the popular/noob distros) because there isn't arent a lot of advantages.

Appalling bias. Gnome is no

Appalling bias. Gnome is no where close to the usability of the windows 7 desktop. Gnome needs to wake the **** up and fast, its looking prehistoric.

I've always been a Windows

I've always been a Windows user, but after I recently got a new computer with Windows 7, I'm going to have to install Linux as a secondary OS. I have a decent HP laser printer that's a couple years old, and can't afford to replace it, however it isn't compatible with Windows 7. I've tried all the fixes, including editing the registry, and nothing works. Windows is geared toward profit, not convenience.

Linux is not what it used to be

The last I used Linux was in 2006 till lat week when I installed Ubuntu 10.04LTS I fail to undersand what Windows 7 can do for a home user that this distro cannot do.

I use Windows 7 at work as that is the set up we have been provided. At home I use Linux. Installation is a breeze. Getting applications is a breeze and hold on. Aero looks like a baby in front of compiz. I could not believe my eyes when all those fancy compiz effects were infact running smoothly on my 5 year old 1GB RAM laptop without any graphics card! All this out of the box.

I don't hate Windows, but seriously, why pay more for an OS when something truly better is there to use. The UI with Ubuntu (GNOME) is even more intuitive than Windows.

A good test would be to get a cave man and ask him about his usability experience from Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04

Nice try

I don't know why I started reading this article, I should have closed it as soon as I saw the stupid Penguin on the header. Biased is just not the word!

I totally agree with the fact that it's stories like this that has bought Windows to where it is now. So keep on Mocking Windows, it just makes the next version better.

Oh and yes, I'll start CONSIDERING switching to Linux when I can play Call of Duty on it. Which is not in this lifetime!

Windows 7 Rocks!!!!!

I don't know why the hell you have taken so much time to write this article. It's full of crap. I have been using Windows 7 since the day RC released. It is one of the best operating systems ever released. Go try it and feel the difference. Linux sucks big time!!!!

Ubuntu 10.04

I've been using Ubuntu 10.04 for 1 month now & found it works well, So well I formatted all my computers & went with linux, To me it just run a lot faster.. :) I just don't have the money to put out on windows 7 & being in Canada windows 7 is a lot $$$.$$!! So if you ask me what to run I would say to run Linux Because it's free to all...

Thank's

Ubuntu 10.04

I've been using Ubuntu 10.04 for 1 month now & found it works well, So well I formatted all my computers & went with linux, To me it just run a lot faster.. :) I just don't have the money to put out on windows 7 & being in Canada windows 7 is a lot $$$.$$!! So if you ask me what to run I would say to run Linux Because it's free to all...

Thank's

A fair, real answer

Ok, based off of research and my own experiences this is what I have come up with. First off, I don't believe (at this time) there is a definitive winner. Both have pros and cons, but we are still missing the good median. Linux, on one end, is powerfull, fast, and a great OS for any computer intermediate/expert. On the other end, if you are not up to scratch with computers, linux may be a big step and a whiles away for you. I have been a windows user for 13 years or so and I have recently begun using linux (I used it on and off before). I love Windows for its' ease of setting up and compatibility, but I also love linux for its' power and freedom. THIS is why I run both OS's, you could dual boot or, like me, just use Windows on one machine, and linux on the other. My main reason for Windows is gaming and development (programming), but this is also because I'm not up to date with Linux. Once I learn the ins & outs of Linux I will most likely switch over completely (Just my preference). Overall, if you are up for a challenge and a learning experience, witch you will benifit from later, than why not try out linux? If you just want to do some web browsing, maybe some games, programming a little, then you might want to stick with Windows. To sum it up, I don't believe there is a definitive winner and it's all about your own tastes, goals, and opinions.

To all those who use windows

All u Micro$oft enthusiasts are complete idiots. Linux (I use F12) are used as a programming environment/ general use with ultra-safe and dependable mechanisms... sure thing I have to check my ports and services every once a while, but I don't no need to pay for stupid useless AV programs..

And for those you freaks think Linux sucks? guess what, I am a python programmer for about 2 yrs and I find Linux infinitely better and secure than any windooze release.

and btw the printer thing, xsane and system-config-printer does better reverse-engineering than any any micro$oft equivalent. why? because it automatically looks at the printer's infos then it goes into the system/ repos for the correct drivers.

that means, I plug in ANY modern printer, it works. bet you can't do that on XP huh? all the setup and crap on windooze

and this guy above me, total M$ idiot who tries to use linux, use a Proper distro like ubuntu or SUSE before releasing those words from your stinky mouth.

JUST SO U ALL M$ freaks know, I am running F12 (F13 ready as soon as I get my 2GB 800MHz ram) on a aspire one (D250).

And F12 - runs 60% more efficient and less memory-hungry than my stupid OEM XP on grub dual-boot (F12 - 100GB ext4, XP - 22GB NTFS, backup 20GB acer reserved)

tons of python-compatible IDE's ( using Eclipse pydev rite now =)installed python3, got IDLE and everything working and things works like magic. 3 interpreter speed +25% faster than XP.

And... the only time I use my windows 7 backburner server (and client) is when I render my 3Ds Max animations ( u guessed it - mental ray w/ tons of raytracing ), becuase simply OpenGL can't handle 3Ds and if I were to put 3Ds thru Wine or cedega the thing laggs like 50%

other than that, I have to say

“In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates”

If you are a gamer who just use computers for fun, don't even try, stick with your Micro$oft machine, I'd be very happy to make my way into your box someday.

@Pythonic Penguin.... um don't shit your pants buddy

"and this guy above me, total M$ idiot who tries to use linux, use a Proper distro like ubuntu or SUSE before releasing those words from your stinky mouth."

Where you talking to me? <---- Please answer this first, then shit your pants again.

If so:

Alright Mr.LinuxMaster1337. First off all, why are other distros not "proper" like you say? What does that even fucking matter. Also, I am using ubuntu right the fuck now, so where in my post did I saw I was using something else, or any specific distro for that matter?

"u said windows 7 desktop is reliable?? I crash the damn thing about every week back when I used XP."

Umm ok, you just said that you crashed XP, not 7. Plus, I've been using 7 for a year or so and it hasn't crashed once. I'm not a standard user, so I have a shitload of programs, games, exc on it... If I don't crash it, I think you're fine... well unless it's all that gay porn you must download.

It seems as though all of your points were ignorant and most likely invaild, or made invaild by your ignorance. Most of your talk is trash and provides nobody with solid information. Also, you said you've been a python programmer for 2 years... does this make you god or something? (Not even close big boy)

Basically, you are either a little kid who went on a rant because you HATE windows and are a linux-fanboy, or you are a regular dumbass of which believes he knows everything.

Before you post again I suggest you calm down and think about some real points that people can benefit from instead of laughing at.

linux vs windows??

I don't disslike linux but it make everything harder, and there are to few application I would use in linux rather than in windows. 3D studio, Photoshop, dreamweaver, Visual Studio, CS4 , MS office and all games i need :)..

Love to my old Amiga 500, that one was the best computer I ever had!

I think that Windows and

I think that Windows and Linux are two different OSs. So nobody should try to compare them.

Windows is a universal system for people who just use their computers for playing, working with Word/Excel/Powerpoint, checking E-Mails or browsing.

Linux is an OS for hackers (not those 1337-kiddies, I mean those real hackers), developers and geeks.

Actually you can also use Windows for developing stuff and Linux for working and playing, but that's what my computer-experience has shown to me.

Also, Linux is an OpenSource system which also uses many Open Source Applications. That's why selling Linux software for money is kinda pointless, because most Linux users get their stuff from apt-get, yast, pacman/yaourt, yum or the internet.
If you want to sell your software, you should compile it on a windows machine.

I don't like Windows and Mac OS X that much, but that's my opinion.

Linux is my favorite, because I like to see what's happening on my machine. I also like the freedom I have with it.
But Linux is still a pain in the ass. Except newer distros such as Mint and Ubuntu.

Ball Goats

Whatever you guys say ..... I am laughing all the way to the bank.
Have a nice day and fight it out amongst yourselves.

Strawman arguments ?

Why did all Linux distros select their release date same as Windows 7 ?

A system can be very fast in any specific feature, but to have overall performance requires engineering skills !

"but its free" i hear the free software junkies say. Free as in do as i say ?

Linux and Windows are two sides of the same coin.

Obviously spell check hasn't made it to Linux yet.

disslike,laggs,powerfull,Thank's,no where,its (meant it's, it is),personnel(meant personal),there isn't arent (WTF?),Addmited,lasanya,Volkswagon,papper,becasue,YALL,their are,(there are),Anyways(anyhoo?), miss-informed(related to miss congeniality and miss conception),Reigh,simple(meant simply, adverb not adjective),oneday, and a few more typos and goofs I've probably overlooked. And that was just page three. The Obama is strong on this forum.

Back to Windows 7? a ride with Blackberry, Office and iPhone!

Hi, I was a happy Windows 7 user until I decided to radically change.

I formated my hard drive and installed Ubuntu 10.4. And it was good! memory use went down 50%, HDD use went down 80%, processor was about the same, everything was 'cool'... I was so happy till the day I tried to use my Blackberry Pearl. Man, what a pain to sync contacts in Evolution (Outlook equivalent shipped with Ubuntu)... It took like 2 hours and it did a crappy job.. my 500+ contacts where duplicated.

After struggling with fonts in Evolution I switch to Thunderbird. Did I mention how painful it was to move my Outlook PST to Evolution?.. the move from Evo to Thund. wanst so bad.

Then I got a Blackberry upgrade.. the Curve. And guess what! theres no way to sync with Thunderbird!

I was not able to sync calendar or install any apps. There's no support for Blackberries in Linux.

And believe me, in a corporate situation, it helps a lot to easily carry away your updated contacts/tasks/meetings/notes.. etc.

Then I got a beautiful gift: an iPhone 3GS! and guess what? there's no iTunes for Ubuntu or any Linux distro, so app store wont work or any application to sync anything to the phone. Ok, i was able to move Pictures and MP3s, but the iPhone is a whole lot more than just that. I tried Ubuntu One (to sync contacts only (for now) over the cloud with iPhone) but service was down.. and man, believe me, I dont have the time for all the manuals.

One more thing, MS Office 2010! ... OpenOffice.org is pretty cute, but Microsoft has done a beautiful job with this app, OO.org is like a buggy MS Office 2003.

Now when I see my wife using Windows 7 with her iPhone and BB (she has both too, long story) everything works! It even looks better now (dont ask me why... windows 7 not my wife)

So I dont know!

Should I change again and come back later?

Does it really bothers me to pay for software that can truly work out of the box with business tools for communication? Not really. Im trying to put things on perspective here.

I'll appreciate your comments!

Fun post by the way. Benchmarks are OK, but, what about asking the users?

Cheers!

Dan.

LoL

For all of those who embrace Linux with open arms, if only you understood its ugly preface. Some of us actually grew up seeing technology evolve, all I got to say is it was shit then and its shit now. Its just very good at hiding it, in the beginning Linux was nothing more than a text based console (as was dos).

What made Linux different however it had an expanded command structure and more editing utilities. Eventually X desktop would become the first GUI for Linux. The problem however with the first Linux was it was far more complicated to install than a Windows OS, at the time you needed to understand its dos like commands even to install it as a GUI desktop. Unlike windows, creating multiple partitions was a bitch, you didn't have ways to visually adjust partitioning you had to input correct numbers just to tell the dumb machine how much space it should use for an install. Hell early Linux had some of the worst hardware and driver recognition, it was pretty bad until companies like Red Hat started investing more time into proper detection and driver support.

Over the years Linux has dumbed down to the level of Windows but still it hides allot of critical tasks left to gurus. One of the biggest changes in Linux is the software library, you can basically search and install software on the fly. Early Linux didn't have that it came in a 4 to 8 cd bundle which contained millions of programs, all optional imagine having to install that on a hard drive back then. The software repositories found now a days fix allot of those problems, as their self installing programs and all choices rather than forced labor.

However you have to understand using Linux in this basic way is very limited you don't learn the ins and outs. When it comes down to it, Linux can be quite scary for someone who has never touched the kernel, commands, editors or even source code which has to be compiled in order to run. That's right in it's true form Linux requires users to be programmers, that means debuging the code, creating proper libraries and installing to the correct path. That my friends is the real Linux and that is what companies like Canonical try to hide.

There is so much about Linux that has not even been implemented in this day and age, due to open source bureaucracy you may never see Windows like advancements in usability in another 10 or 20 years in Linux. The only thing that Linux has to quack about is visual appeal, size and word of mouth.

FAIRLY OBJECTIVE,if ya wanna waste time in config work use linux

hi there,
i'm a big fun of linux distributions... trying and downloading booting.....i do appreciate the power and it gives, but windows starting with xp, vista and 7 are much better in time-saving, you just don't waste your time installing a printer/pc-card.... hours and hours posting questions on low level c written linux drivers/hardware forums....now i'm using vistaOEM 32bits(damn stable) in duality with opensuse11.3(frozen a couple of times) adding to that backtrack3 on vista vmware, even i can't get rid of the linux shell i've to say that windows makes it simple and accessible we got to be right to the point here, linux appears to be excessively rich and diverse but a none big damn work got to be done to to beat windows intuitiveness/comfort. so please to be fair this article is oriented to give linux some rival importance to stand against windows... i just want to attempt to give some definition to the OS stability notion, it's only the capability of the system to keep running correctly without bugs, see, it also the possibility to find the needed driver and software and plug it to get the full system's functionality.VERDICT:the article is not objective giving linux favor, linux:2/10, windows7:8.5/10.

You Filthy Windowers

I was a windows user, and when i started using linux, i knew it was the right one. faster, free, and totally cool.

Windows Rocks!!! if you can pay it.
windows is more user friendly... if you are in fact, retarded...
windows is more popular.

is soccer the best sport in the world???

then, stop criticizing something you guys can't understand.

i'm just saying, windows costs
is slower
there's billions of viruses

the same goes to MAC, cept' for the viruses.

Lets do the math.

Photoshop Elements 2.0 past
Phtoshop Elements 9.0 Present

8 versions @ $100.00 a version that's $800.00

Windows3.0
Windows 98
Windows Me
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows 7

Total: ~ $800.00 approx.

Linux Gimp $0

Linux OS $0

Who is the real winner?

Games

Whoever said that consoles are where it's at for games and than you don't need a PC for that simply doesn't know what the frak they're talking about. Console games are mostly arcadish crap. If you like proper flight simulations or tactical simulations and strategy games, consoles are definitely NOT where it's at.

Linux is great...for windows users

I'd like to start by saying that the article that spawned this forum discussion is anything but objective, so to try and do the comparisons it has, when the writer has already decided whathe's going to say at the end, is quite poor.

But, as a user of windows who decided to try and use Linux with my new laptop, I think I can say that Linux is great from a technological point of view, and some of the features are really quite innovative, but where Linux fails and where ultimately Linux will continue to fail is in the user experience.
Linux strikes me as a group of very smart techy geeks writing some great software, but ultimately not thinking about the user at the end who needs to try and use it. Windows is a clearly defined user experience. When I open my laptop I know exactly how to navigate round, edit documents, configure screens etc. Configuring software is done via simple, easy to use GUI interfaces.
Linux on the other ahnd, seems to be setup differently on every machine I have seen it on, configurations completely change the user experience making it harder for me to go from 1 install to another.
Now this ability to configure may make it possible for me to get a faster machine, or more options to make the configurations do exactly what I want, but with poor help and no expert on hand, how am I supposed to know how to do this. There are way too many options. Freedom has a price.
Linux will unfortunately eventually fail, because it is like most software developer companies/groups out there that have also gone the way of the Dodo. It cares not about the user experience, and not about what the market wants, but about being at the forfront of technology.
Windows users benefit from this, because what MS does is looks at competitors like Linux, decides what is actually any good about it, standardizes it and gives it or at least a version of it to windows users. This means MS might not be inventing these features , but they are bringing them to the masses in an easy to use and standard format...and ultimately that is what 99% of users want.

Linux Desktop

This is the Linux Desktop afterall. I see the server side of Linux having much better collaboration and standardization than the desktop.

The problem with this article is that it doesn't make comparisons on useful things. Some of the pro/con lists are almost comical if you think about them, "working suspend/resume" -- as a matter of fact people are more productive when their computer turns on.

Start up times... who cares? If your computer suspends and resumes, you wont be rebooting enough to notice. The extra 10 seconds you save on boot up time is 20 seconds you waste trying to fix a package update, or use openoffice for something productive.

Linux has come a long way, it really really has, especially the recent Ubuntu 10.x releases with the new theme. There are just too many "little things" that turn in to one "big thing" wrong with desktop linux:

Getting things done.

The argument for open source is a good one, and I fully support open source software, but users have every right to be fed up when they can't get sh*t done:

- There's no Microsoft Office or Apple iWork or similar productivity suite. You can Wine/Crossover Linux Office 2007, but don't expect it to be reliable.

- There are 10 ways to do the same thing. This isn't always a bad thing, but most of the time it just makes it more confusing and complicated. Flexibility has a price, and every comparison I read shows it listed as a Pro, but it should also be listed as a Con.

- Third party software. It's difficult to install packages that aren't a part of the software repository. There is no standard on the package format (actually, RPM is the standard that distributions don't like to follow)....

- Bringing me to my next point, there are too many distributions. You can't complain about there being 7 versions of Windows for sale when there are 30+ Linux distributions. While it's great for sparking new ideas and creativity, it leads to a very fragmented community. On top of different distributions, there are now different spins of the large distributions. Great... well sorta.

- Netflix, can't watch instant streaming without Silverlight/Moonlight. Can't use Moonlight for Netflix without the DRM... It sucks, but this is not possible without some extreme hacks for a solution.

- Flash, sadly.. this still runs much of the internet. While it's better now on Linux, the hardware acceleration and multi monitor/fullscreen support just isn't there.

- X.org :(

I guess I could keep going, but this is getting long and boring and ranty. The best and worst part about Linux desktops is the freedom. The fragmentation has resulted as a part of this freedom, and unless someone or some group steps in and starts laying down the law and stops all of the duplicated efforts that are being poured into the Linux desktop, it will continue to stay where it is.

Canonical may be able to do it if they collaborate with the rest of the community.

I really want to know.

I really want to know, does Linux stand a chance against Windows 7? I have heard Linux is better in some ways, but I play a lot of games on my computer, and I find it gets rather laggy with Windows 7. I am just wondering if Linux would be better for playing games than Windows 7 is? I mainly use my computer for going on the internet.

Delusional Linux fanboys at

Delusional Linux fanboys at their best. Good job guy, you're the laughing stock of the IT world.

I use linux

it is the same but more challenging to use. it looks better than xp though.
havent tried 7.

if i do get a gaming laptop i would use window though...

use wine for linux to run windows apps its not that hard...

In short I would say this as

In short I would say this as both a Kubuntu user and Windows 7 user. For 99% of the world, Windows makes sense. Most people are not concerned with or want to deal with having to learn how to install packages for each set of sofware appliacations they want or need to use. They want to boot the computer up and go and have things done automatically.

I think linux is great for people who wish to mess around with open source and want to learn and develop and advance in OS technology but the common user Windows will always be the way to go.

i think about it like this. There are two kinds of automotive entheusists, those who build the car they want and have the know how, time and tools to do so(linux), and those who just buy the car built already but still have the same enjoyment from the car9windows).

I've got Linux pretty

I've got Linux pretty recently on a laptop, determined to give it a go. I'm a .NET developer, very comfortable with a computer, and I can get to grips with command line with some help from Google. Once you start understanding Linux you do learn to love it. But give this system to my dad and he'll take one look at Unix commands which are still needed in many circumstances and demand his Windows back. I don't know any non-IT person I could recommend Linux to.

Fact is Linux is not user friendly, not for the average person. Just look what a pain in the ass installing from a tar file is and compare it to Windows. I suspect many people have actually tried Linux at least once, people are more prepared to look at Windows alternatives than the Linux crowd give them credit for, but most people are quickly put off and return to Windows. For a user-friendly experience for the man in the street (99% of people) Windows wipes the floor with Linux and that's why so many people use it.

WINDOWS HAS DRAINED THE WORLDS COMPUTING RESOURCES

I am not a geek, i have not used LINUX. But have been using PCs and looking back to the last 15 years just beginning to wonder how much I must have spent on Windows software, not just money but the time, frustration, loss of data.They keep rolling out new versions which make older computers and programs good for nothing. Any Windows system is good when it is brand new. But a few weeks on, the systems becomes lethargic.I am hearing Linux can work with any older computer!
If that is so, all what Window is doing has been draining the Worlds computer resources in terms of money, man hours, professional time, hardware resources etc.
Things are changing for MS. Already IE is not the browser used by the majority desktops. Gmail is fast replacing MS Exchange Server as the main email program. I am a user who does not appreciate the differce between MS Office and Open Office.
But I would like to give Windows and MS the credit it deserves for taking millions like me into the world of personal computing big time. So put it Windows is a good school and learning institution. I am thinking it is time now to switch to something more mature. I do not know whether this will be LINUX or something else, I have to take some good professional opinion about this.

depends for you're doing

Linux is more safe, doesn't hang up - if you run a business and can't afford mac linux is the way to go. I don't really know what is all about windows at all. All windows is a bunch of crap - whatever you do. Compared to macos it's utter garbage. For my work it's pretty much useless too. I believe aplle was doing better operating system some 15 years ago. For me it's no more windows - it let me down too many times. Linux Ubuntu works great

difficulty

and I agree with statements above:
a/ windows is good for a moment, than very quicly it turns in to a dumpster, even if you're super careful
b/ windows is draining the world's it resources - there are so many problems with this system that simply go away with linux, it's unbelievable.

Windows Vista and Windows 7 vulnerability did cost me somehwere in the region of $3-4 k last year (this was my downtime in $/hour time). So too many times I wished Bill GAtes was never born

Still solution numer one is: get mac

Linux Mint 10

I am very new to Linux..I can say for sure that my laptop runs better that it ever has..I dumped my entire system and installed Linux Mint 10/Julia..IT is very simple and easy to use! "No more crashing Vista"

OpenSource locki-in

Enough already with the Windows vs. Linux using *buntu comparisons. Having installed various versions of boontoo on various hdwr over the past several years... *ubuntu and variants come out near the bottom of the heap in terms of hdwr detection, installation and inconsistency from release to release.

There are much better, mature and stable Linux distros out there with which to make comparisons.

Also, Ubuntu DOES NOT mention Linux anywhere on its main page. What kind of community spirit is that? Seems Ubuntu is following in the foots steps of MS and Apple . . . . not giving credit where credit is due.

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Big load of chickensh*t on BlewBoontoo, MessyShorts and Crapple.

Not a penguin BY CHOICE

I know I will get flamed for this, but who cares. This article is extremely biased. From the get-go the author makes it clear he has an agenda against Microsoft, Windows in particular.

Let me explain things from a Power User stand point, who yes tried linux before, MULTIPLE DISTROS, and Multiple versions. Suse/OpenSuse, Redhat/Fedora, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, even Solaris (which is not Linux but is a close relative). So I know what i am talking aboutm, and I'm not a dumb user.

Face it people. Having to recompile the kernel [which NEVER works] or spend more than 20 minutes to get a driver working (or compile drivers for it that NEVER work) only to find out the hardware doesn't work all the way (like sound car only supporting 2 out of 4 speakers, printer only printing in plain text, scanner only working in black and white, the list goes on) is unacceptable to say the least.

a "typical" Linux install may take 40 minutes for the OS/apps, but an additional 2 to 3 getting all the hardware working, resolving package dependencies and .so hell, etc.

Contrast that to Windows: You can have the OS itself setup in 60 minutes, with most (if not all) hardware working withing another hour, and most (if not all) your necessary apps installed withing yet another hour. Bottom line is: Linux took 3 to 4 hours to work "somewhat, and with a lot of patience". Windows took about 3 hours to work period.

Ok, you don't like that argument? How about the fact that you can run WAY more games and apps on Windows than you can on Linux?

Ok, fine you don't like that argument either. How about the fact that you as a user can learn windows (if you're smart enough) to do most basic tasks within 2 weeks, as opposed to "never" learning Linux?

I have to remind you I tried Linux, on several occassions, with several distros, and several versions. Furthermore, I am a Computer Science student with programming and scripting knowledge, so I don't qualify as a "dumb user" (at least I like to think not ;-) I have also found most (but admittedly not all) of the linux forums that support technical problems to have a rude "I'm a geek, f*** off attitude", with their most favorite response to almost any question: "RTFM" (when there is no man page or manual to read to begin with).

Last but not least, the author down-played Windows again and I quote: "The only test where Windows 7 was significantly faster than everything else was the Richards benchmark of overall system performance."

Now tell me this, as an "average to power" user, which do you care more about: The fact that you can access a file from your filesystem a few nanoseconds faster, or the fact that overall system performance is notably better?

This article is biased to say the least. NOT ONCE DID THE AUTHOR MENTION ONE POSITIVE THING ABOUT WINDOWS ONLY TO TRY TO MOCK IT AND TAKE JABS.

Why I use linux

What i do on the computer?: flash, D, C, haXe, offimatic and sound toying.

Reasons are:
*Some portable tools are way easier to install (and mostly free) and because my desktop windows broke so badly and I found no way to repair it ( I don't recived a repair CD and the repair partition was unreparable ).
*Also what I like about linux is freenes
*Oddly for much people, get working on programming projects.

Some things that frustrate me a lot are printer support (at least in my case, I have a lexmark) drivers ( I had to reinstall them everytime I upgraded and some simply doesn't exists) and also what makes me really angreh is when office applications fall short or crash. Even more, windows drivers are much bettter supported due the popularity of the OS.

Wine is my friend and if it fails I use VirtualBox with VT-x and shared folders (Good thing i have hadware with virtualization support).

The things that simply drives me off in Windows are viruses. I have no problem with them on linux. Also a problem is the hardness is to set up a non Windows centered development environment there. Man, I simply couldnt get D with openGL working on windows, in linux it just took me an hour.Part of this was the lame cmd.exe looked compared to other shells, now Powershell is a good alternative.

I like Linux because I like Linux and if not use Windows.
Sorry for idea jumping, it is 2am here and i'not a native english speaker.

I find this thread entertaining

Having read comments, I think I will make something about this. It will be called Flamewars For Everything You Can imagine.

Common, there are just diferent uses and preferences (making a choice more acceptable), and let's face it Desktop and Design/Engineering is dominated by Windows.

What would it be if it was the inverse way?

Linux will never beat

Linux will never beat Windows.Linux is just a stripped down Windows with free software. Linux doesn't have any professional programs that many advanced computer users need. It has no games. It ends there. No games/professional software. Windows has the tools, Linux doesn't.

When I want free I'll go live with my mom so she can buy me food, feed me, and work on my behalf.

This article really does try to make it seems like a fair comprasion but it is obviously full of linux bias.

"Linux uses less memory, less space, it boots 5 seconds faster"

Really?
All these claims don't matter.
Less memory usage-Computers these day have tons of memory to spare, idc if lunix can use a little bit less memory doing NOTHING while I can actually use my memory on windows to play a game or photoshop or video edit

Less Space usage-When your computer has +100 GB hdd it doesn't matter anymore. The average laptop comes with 300 GB hdd while the PC 1 TB.

Faster Boot-No one actually cares if they have to wait 10 seconds for boot or 2 minutes. If they care then they are fanboys or they are trying to finish something in the last moment. Seriously if you have 100 years to live then 2 minutes won't make a difference.

And for the finishing statement I am going to quote your finishing statement.
"But best of all, we have complete control over the future of Linux, and it's success or failure at the hands of Windows 7 is in our hands."
When "your" hands spelled "it's" instead of "its" I think we all know that Linux will eventually sputter and die out because of the force of industry, the same way you can't sue the fast food industry.

P.S. All this blabber about "LINUX HAS FREEDOM NOTHING ELSE MATTER!!" is pointless. Linux having freedom as a good thing is like saying the US citizen has actual freedom and it's a good thing. Which we all know isn't true.

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